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Will Mayweather vs. Mosley be more exciting than Pacquiao vs. Clottey? Will Allan Green make it to the second stage of the Super Six World Boxing Classic? Is Edwin Valero similar to a young Manny Pacquiao? 411’s Patrick Cassidy and Jonathan Yaghoubi debate these topics and more in the latest edition of 411 Fact or Fiction: Boxing!
Round 1: Comparing Edwin Valero to a younger Manny Pacquiao is a valid comparison.
Jonathan Yaghoubi: FICTION - While I am a fan of Valero as a boxer and thought he showed tremendous heart fighting with a nasty cut the whole fight on Saturday night, comparing him to a younger Pacquiao is a bit silly. Actually, I don't even think they belong in the same sentence if you want me to get more accurate. I love the fact that Valero has not gone the distance in any fight in his career. However, except for the fight against DeMarco, all of Valero's wins have come against unknown and unproven fighters.
In his first big fight, Pacquiao dominated a future Hall of Famer in Marco Antonio Barrera. He rebounded from a tough loss from Erik Morales and went to beat him down in the next two fights. He has had one draw and one win against Marquez. Did I mention that Manny did all this before the age of 28. That happens to be the current age of Valero and has not even come close to those accomplishments. I think Valero is good but I don't think he has that good as people think he is. he still has some holes as a fighter and if he were to fight Marquez, he would suffer his first defeat.
Patrick Cassidy: FACT - It's certainly a fair comparison. We're talking about a sport where promoters and commentators are willing to throw out lofty comparisons to every fighter with a padded record. How many times have you heard a fighter compared to a "young Mike Tyson" or his work rate reminds me of a "young Roberto Duran". We're in a business that loves Hyperbole so let's not act like comparing Valero to Pacquiao is some outlandish statement. I'm not saying Valero is going to grow into Manny Pacquiao but it's certainly a far comparison to say Valero is on the relative level of Pacquiao when he first took off in the States in 2001.
First let's point out the fact that Valero loves to jab before throwing his straight left, throws a lot of punches, possesses good footwork, and sometimes lapses on defense. Is that not Manny Pacquiao when he first debuted in the states?
Scorecard: 0 for 1
Round 2: Mayweather vs. Mosley will end up being a more exciting fight than Pacquiao vs. Clottey; though both will be fun to watch.
Jonathan Yaghoubi: FICTION - While the Mayweather-Mosley fight is the one that everyone wants to see, it will certainly not be as good a fight as Pacquiao- Clottey. I have written previously that I feel that the Clottey-Pacquiao fight has a chance to be a boxing classic. The styles of both guys will make this one of the most exciting and entertaining fights of 2010.
Mayweather-Mosley has a chance to be a fun fight to watch but there also a good chance it could be a big borefest. Is any Mayweather fight ever a exciting one to watch? There could be a good chance that Sugar Shane might have not anything left in the tank when he fight's Mayweather. Let's also throw in the fact that Mosley's layoff will be 15 months when he fights Floyd. Pacquiao and Clottey are coming off some great performances in their last fight and poised for a great things when they step in the ring.
Also Jonathan, you're way off in bringing up the likes of Barrera and Morales and saying Valero is fighting bums. Manny Pacquiao didn't fight a credible opponent (Lehlohonolo Ledwaba) until his 35th fight! Valero was fighting a legitimate top 10 contender at his 26th fight. So you're way off plus after Pacquiao did pick off Ledwaba for the belt he went on a streak of six straight fights against tomato cans. So let's stop with the Valero fighting bum argument because the fact is Manny Pacquiao fought bums much later into his career. If we're comparing Valero and a young Pacquiao it's safe to say that Valero is light years ahead of a Pre-Morales trilogy Pacquiao in terms of opposition. That is unless you consider someone like Serikzhan Yeshmagambetov to be better than Antonio Pitalua and Antonio DeMarco. I'm not saying nor do I believe that Valero is going to transform into the Manny Pacquiao we know and love. I am saying that he is very similar to Pacquiao when Pac was at this point in his career.
Patrick Cassidy: FACT - This is another one where I completely disagree with your view of Clottey/Pacquiao. I truly believe Clottey was handpicked to make Pacquiao look good in this fight. I'm taking nothing away from Josh Clottey who's a legitimate top 10 contender but his style does not make for a competitive fight with Pacquiao. We saw what happened to Miguel Cotto when he stood in front of Manny Pacquiao, he got rocked because he couldn't keep up with the amount of punches thrown at him. Clottey fights a similar style but lacks a knockout punch which basically means you're getting the equivalent of Diet-Miguel Cotto. Clottey is a good fighter who will give a lot of guys trouble but he's never beaten a great opponent nor does he have the technical skills to outbox Manny Pacquiao. He's going to be a sitting duck walking into a monsoon. You have to make Manny Pacquiao work for his punches and Josh Clottey just doesn't fight that kind of fight. I'll be shocked if this fight goes past 5.
On the other hand you have a fight for the Welterweight Championship of the world and probably the best Welterweight title fight since Trinidad and De La Hoya over 10 years ago(How old does that make ya feel?) I think Mosley realizes that he doesn't have many big fights left in him and still wants to build his legacy even further. Remember after Mosley dusted DLH in their first fight many were saying that Mosley had all time great potential. He's had a great career but never really lived up to that hype thanks to Winky and Vernon Forrest. I think that still gnaws at him and is why he will leave everything in the ring against Floyd Mayweather. Say what you want about Floyd but the man cares about his legacy and his unblemished record and will do anything to keep it that way. When fighters test Floyd it brings out the best in him and produces exciting fights (Judah, Hatton, Castillo). If Floyd doesn't have to work he doesn't but if you push him he'll certainly push back and make for a great fight. I think this fight means so much more than the other fight and these mega fights generally have a way of bringing out the best in both men. I expect a very good technical battle.
Scorecard: 0 for 2
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Will Mayweather vs. Mosley be more exciting than Pacquiao vs. Clottey? Will Allan Green make it to the second stage of the Super Six World Boxing Classic? Is Edwin Valero similar to a young Manny Pacquiao? 411’s Patrick Cassidy and Jonathan Yaghoubi debate these topics and more in the latest edition of 411 Fact or Fiction: Boxing!
Round 1: Comparing Edwin Valero to a younger Manny Pacquiao is a valid comparison.
Jonathan Yaghoubi: FICTION - While I am a fan of Valero as a boxer and thought he showed tremendous heart fighting with a nasty cut the whole fight on Saturday night, comparing him to a younger Pacquiao is a bit silly. Actually, I don't even think they belong in the same sentence if you want me to get more accurate. I love the fact that Valero has not gone the distance in any fight in his career. However, except for the fight against DeMarco, all of Valero's wins have come against unknown and unproven fighters.
In his first big fight, Pacquiao dominated a future Hall of Famer in Marco Antonio Barrera. He rebounded from a tough loss from Erik Morales and went to beat him down in the next two fights. He has had one draw and one win against Marquez. Did I mention that Manny did all this before the age of 28. That happens to be the current age of Valero and has not even come close to those accomplishments. I think Valero is good but I don't think he has that good as people think he is. he still has some holes as a fighter and if he were to fight Marquez, he would suffer his first defeat.
Patrick Cassidy: FACT - It's certainly a fair comparison. We're talking about a sport where promoters and commentators are willing to throw out lofty comparisons to every fighter with a padded record. How many times have you heard a fighter compared to a "young Mike Tyson" or his work rate reminds me of a "young Roberto Duran". We're in a business that loves Hyperbole so let's not act like comparing Valero to Pacquiao is some outlandish statement. I'm not saying Valero is going to grow into Manny Pacquiao but it's certainly a far comparison to say Valero is on the relative level of Pacquiao when he first took off in the States in 2001.
First let's point out the fact that Valero loves to jab before throwing his straight left, throws a lot of punches, possesses good footwork, and sometimes lapses on defense. Is that not Manny Pacquiao when he first debuted in the states?
Scorecard: 0 for 1
Round 2: Mayweather vs. Mosley will end up being a more exciting fight than Pacquiao vs. Clottey; though both will be fun to watch.
Jonathan Yaghoubi: FICTION - While the Mayweather-Mosley fight is the one that everyone wants to see, it will certainly not be as good a fight as Pacquiao- Clottey. I have written previously that I feel that the Clottey-Pacquiao fight has a chance to be a boxing classic. The styles of both guys will make this one of the most exciting and entertaining fights of 2010.
Mayweather-Mosley has a chance to be a fun fight to watch but there also a good chance it could be a big borefest. Is any Mayweather fight ever a exciting one to watch? There could be a good chance that Sugar Shane might have not anything left in the tank when he fight's Mayweather. Let's also throw in the fact that Mosley's layoff will be 15 months when he fights Floyd. Pacquiao and Clottey are coming off some great performances in their last fight and poised for a great things when they step in the ring.
Also Jonathan, you're way off in bringing up the likes of Barrera and Morales and saying Valero is fighting bums. Manny Pacquiao didn't fight a credible opponent (Lehlohonolo Ledwaba) until his 35th fight! Valero was fighting a legitimate top 10 contender at his 26th fight. So you're way off plus after Pacquiao did pick off Ledwaba for the belt he went on a streak of six straight fights against tomato cans. So let's stop with the Valero fighting bum argument because the fact is Manny Pacquiao fought bums much later into his career. If we're comparing Valero and a young Pacquiao it's safe to say that Valero is light years ahead of a Pre-Morales trilogy Pacquiao in terms of opposition. That is unless you consider someone like Serikzhan Yeshmagambetov to be better than Antonio Pitalua and Antonio DeMarco. I'm not saying nor do I believe that Valero is going to transform into the Manny Pacquiao we know and love. I am saying that he is very similar to Pacquiao when Pac was at this point in his career.
Patrick Cassidy: FACT - This is another one where I completely disagree with your view of Clottey/Pacquiao. I truly believe Clottey was handpicked to make Pacquiao look good in this fight. I'm taking nothing away from Josh Clottey who's a legitimate top 10 contender but his style does not make for a competitive fight with Pacquiao. We saw what happened to Miguel Cotto when he stood in front of Manny Pacquiao, he got rocked because he couldn't keep up with the amount of punches thrown at him. Clottey fights a similar style but lacks a knockout punch which basically means you're getting the equivalent of Diet-Miguel Cotto. Clottey is a good fighter who will give a lot of guys trouble but he's never beaten a great opponent nor does he have the technical skills to outbox Manny Pacquiao. He's going to be a sitting duck walking into a monsoon. You have to make Manny Pacquiao work for his punches and Josh Clottey just doesn't fight that kind of fight. I'll be shocked if this fight goes past 5.
On the other hand you have a fight for the Welterweight Championship of the world and probably the best Welterweight title fight since Trinidad and De La Hoya over 10 years ago(How old does that make ya feel?) I think Mosley realizes that he doesn't have many big fights left in him and still wants to build his legacy even further. Remember after Mosley dusted DLH in their first fight many were saying that Mosley had all time great potential. He's had a great career but never really lived up to that hype thanks to Winky and Vernon Forrest. I think that still gnaws at him and is why he will leave everything in the ring against Floyd Mayweather. Say what you want about Floyd but the man cares about his legacy and his unblemished record and will do anything to keep it that way. When fighters test Floyd it brings out the best in him and produces exciting fights (Judah, Hatton, Castillo). If Floyd doesn't have to work he doesn't but if you push him he'll certainly push back and make for a great fight. I think this fight means so much more than the other fight and these mega fights generally have a way of bringing out the best in both men. I expect a very good technical battle.
Scorecard: 0 for 2
Thought I'd share.
Here's the rest
http://www.411mania.com/boxing/columns/129325
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