Do steroids give you more skill?

[Shaolin Bushido]

We should keep all this Toney talk in one thread. There are a bunch of great points being made by a lot of posters but there might be a better flow to the topic if it was condensed to a single thread.

Also, I've heard both ways... was the Vargas steroid thing ever proven? HBO was saying he took all of that time off because of his back injury. He did look absolutely jacked for the dlh fight though.

Good point. Anyone with Rick's ear, suggest he merge em.

[The Pretender]

Sorry Toney fans, but you are wrong and the boxing commission has spoken.

Anabolic steroids increase power and stamina, two great factors in any fight. Toney cheated, Ruiz got his belt back, get over it.

[Warden11]

Another thing that is tough with this topic is when did Toney actually take them?? He may have been off it for weeks or months meaning no extra energy boast.

[mic573]

Also, I've heard both ways... was the Vargas steroid thing ever proven? HBO was saying he took all of that time off because of his back injury. He did look absolutely jacked for the dlh fight though.

Yes it was proven and he was suspended and fined. He had two comeback fights against Vanderpool and Marshall then his back started to bother him and he had a thyroid problem.

[The Pretender]

Another thing that is tough with this topic is when did Toney actually take them?? He may have been off it for weeks or months meaning no extra energy boast.

Guess it wasn't too long ago since he tested positive.

Moral of the story? If you juice, tell the commission and postpone the fight. Otherwise if you get caught, man up and admit it and take the punishment.

[Warden11]

Guess it wasn't too long ago since he tested positive.

Moral of the story? If you juice, tell the commission and postpone the fight. Otherwise if you get caught, man up and admit it and take the punishment.

They can detect it sometimes up to 6 months later. Thats why I dont understand why these guys bother. Anyway your right it probably wasn't too long ago it would just be nice to know.

[Truth]

If steroids give you stamina then is cheating but still Toney would beat of roids. Fighters have to be careful of what substances go in them.

[sgtheny]

if the fight would have been a war were there was a lot of power hits, then i could see how toney had the clear advantage. But the fact that most of toney's punches were counters off Ruiz's poorly timed throws clearly means that Ruiz was out boxed by Toney. Steroids dident have anything to do with Ruiz tripping over his goofy self. Steroids did not have anything to do with Ruiz throwing bad, unbalanced punches and getting countered. Ruiz lost the fight because Toney is a better boxer, not because he used steroids.

[Warden11]

if the fight would have been a war were there was a lot of power hits, then i could see how toney had the clear advantage. But the fact that most of toney's punches were counters off Ruiz's poorly timed throws clearly means that Ruiz was out boxed by Toney. Steroids dident have anything to do with Ruiz tripping over his goofy self. Steroids did not have anything to do with Ruiz throwing bad, unbalanced punches and getting countered. Ruiz lost the fight because Toney is a better boxer, not because he used steroids.

Well said.