Is Everyone Forgetting...

[Truth]

The Truth, yes he did win, yes he is a much better boxer than Ruiz..
And yes he doesn't need steroids to beat Ruiz.

What he does need steroids for is to allow him to do what he did for the full 12 rounds. Where are the guarantees that with his 233lb and 95% (I'm just making it up)body fat, he would have the endurance of going 12 rounds? He might have ran out of gas by 7/8 round. Who knows?

Agree?

Your the man...someone finally got my point thank you Vdiary! good karma coming

[legend]

Good point vdiary. Toney could beat Ruiz anyways if in shape, but at that weight he would benefit greatly from steroids in that he could go the distance with Ruiz. If Toney would have ran out of gas early on, Ruiz likely would have won a UD.

[paul750]

The Truth, yes he did win, yes he is a much better boxer than Ruiz..
And yes he doesn't need steroids to beat Ruiz.

What he does need steroids for is to allow him to do what he did for the full 12 rounds. Where are the guarantees that with his 233lb and 95% (I'm just making it up)body fat, he would have the endurance of going 12 rounds? He might have ran out of gas by 7/8 round. Who knows?

Agree?

that's a fairly logical assessment, a guy of that size and weight, along with his age would usually be expected to tire in the later rounds, so the drug taking would appear to make sense, if indeed he did take them

[tracylee]

You know what you absolutley right Toney should be suspended and fined then there should be a rematch. I have to correct that.

not for life though..thats outrageous. Even Vargas was only suspended a few yr's right? I hope that it's all bull anyway, and that he didnt take them. I dont believe everything I hear from the losers camp..so when the right people provide the right proof, then I'll believe it.

[legend]

not for life though..thats outrageous. Even Vargas was only suspended a few yr's right? I hope that it's all bull anyway, and that he didnt take them. I dont believe everything I hear from the losers camp..so when the right people provide the right proof, then I'll believe it.

That's what sucks about these steroid cases though. Although solid proof will probably never come out about this, the fact that it has been exposed to the public will leave a black mark on Toney for as long as he wears boxing gloves. Besides, even if doctors know about this and could come forward, people can be paid off so easily. As much money as doctors make in their profession, they could get paid a hell of a lot more if they just did the simple task of "shutting up". Not exactly as hard as performing an operation.

[tracylee]

That's what sucks about these steroid cases though. Although solid proof will probably never come out about this, the fact that it has been exposed to the public will leave a black mark on Toney for as long as he wears boxing gloves. Besides, even if doctors know about this and could come forward, people can be paid off so easily. As much money as doctors make in their profession, they could get paid a hell of a lot more if they just did the simple task of "shutting up". Not exactly as hard as performing an operation.

Yeah, just what the sport needs, more bad press. Didnt they prove that Vargas was using? I mean, they had to do something like that cause of his suspension..You'd think if he was proven to have used them with the high profile he has that if Toney used them then he would too. Maybe I'm just a bit naive on the issue

[legend]

Yeah, just what the sport needs, more bad press. Didnt they prove that Vargas was using? I mean, they had to do something like that cause of his suspension..You'd think if he was proven to have used them with the high profile he has that if Toney used them then he would too. Maybe I'm just a bit naive on the issue

Yes, you're right about Vargas. He did indeed get caught and suspended. Maybe these accusations are bogus, I wish they were, not because of Toney but because of boxing. Like you stated, boxing gets enough bad press and inattention already.

[riz]

If the only consequence of Toney's cheating is to have a rematch, then boxing as a sport will have failed. Toney shouldn't be banned for life, but he should receive some kind of suspension for taking steroids. Letting him have a rematch with Ruiz will make it seem like it's no big deal to cheat.

And how do you come to the conclusion that Toney is so much better than Ruiz. It's not like Toney dominated him in the fight. Without the BS "knockdown", Toney would have won the fight by maybe 1 round. Not enough to convince me that he would beat him 9 times out of 10. He barely beat him 1 time out of 1.

according to the rules (to my recollection), if guilty, he cant find for any WBA title for two years, im pretty sure he's fined, n i think that the result is changed to a no contest. so there wont be able to hav that rematch

[The Pretender]

You know what I find funny? The fact that people are forgetting that although it does seem that James Toney took steroids that it wouldn't really change the outcome of the fight. Let me explain Toney may have taken roids but that doesn't kill the fact Toney beats Ruiz 9 times out of 10.

Ha, whatever. Has Toney fought Ruiz 10 times? No. Then he doesn't beat Ruiz 9/10 times does he? No. Quit dreaming and make some sense.

Toney took drugs because he was: 1) afraid of Ruiz, or 2) insecure of his own ability. Either way he won nothing. If he took a bat to Ruiz head in the ring, did he win? No. He broke the rules and should be stripped and punished.

Anyone who takes drugs in boxing to cheat is a coward, plain and simple. A disgrace. Anyone who thinks that's ok is also a disgrace.

[The Pretender]

This is all a setup to keep John Ruiz in the title picture.

Don King poisoned James Toney's water bottle with the illegal roid.
He knew Toney would beat Ruiz.....& this is how he'll steal the win from him.

Suck on that, Wlad Klit fans !

My god you are dumb. Toney was signed with King BEFORE the fight. So why the hell would King sabotage his own heir to the belt? Here's a free piece of advice: never start your own business because you'll lose your ass.