The taller the boxer, the stronger puncher it is?

[Brz_Pugilist]

Foreman was a hard hitter, when he wiped out Frazier, it was a complete shock.Ali had a jaw, he took some shots from Foreman.

[The Troll]

I read about his power, but also we know that is very difficult to imagine him hitting harder than George Foreman and many others.

How reliable is that PSI test, and did they do it to all the other heavyweight punchers?

Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey said that the biggest heavyweight puncher is Foreman, and they lived until 1980 aproximately. After that we have: Mike Tyson, Frank Bruno (there are similar comments on his PSI biggest than all others, but again, how reliable), David Tua, Lennox Lewis and Samuel Peter, I imagine some of them hitting stronger than Marciano. What others think?

I tend to agree that Foreman probably did hit harder than Marciano, and Tyson probably hit harder too, but I dont know its still the PSI record and the man was short and only a 187 pounds. That is why Marciano was such a machine he had endless stamina due in large part to weighing only 187 pounds but he could hit almost as hard as Foreman if he really committed himself to a punch.

[paul750]

it's speed times the mass, guys like tua, ibeabuchi, lewis, tyson, guys who weigh over 220, and have good hand speed are going to be devastating punchers, tyson an tua generated most of their power from their legs,lennox lewis punced down and used most of his body weight on his punches, it's just different types of power but equally as devastating of course

[rge]

I tend to agree that Foreman probably did hit harder than Marciano, and Tyson probably hit harder too, but I dont know its still the PSI record and the man was short and only a 187 pounds. That is why Marciano was such a machine he had endless stamina due in large part to weighing only 187 pounds but he could hit almost as hard as Foreman if he really committed himself to a punch.

What I know about marciano is that he trained more than others, maybe about double. Also, he had less fat than other heavyweights, so most of the 187 lbs are muscles and bones. These are advantages, that made him hit harder than others at his time, and without doubt hardest hitter at his weight or lower, but higher weights it depends. But I do no think he compares with the others I mention, also I read Frank Bruno hits more than 1000 PSI but don't know about others, or how realiable is.

[rge]

it's speed times the mass, guys like tua, ibeabuchi, lewis, tyson, guys who weigh over 220, and have good hand speed are going to be devastating punchers, tyson an tua generated most of their power from their legs,lennox lewis punced down and used most of his body weight on his punches, it's just different types of power but equally as devastating of course

Thanks for the answer, if I understood what you mean with Lewis, it can be used in some punches, but not in an uppercut, that he throwed strong with the right hand.

Tyson and Tua go to the front with the body for some shots.

Foreman didn't do it especially at more than 40 years, it still impresses me the victory over Moorer at near 46 with that punch without much body movement.

[cvt]

[QUOTE=paul750]it's speed times the massQUOTE]

exactly...there are many factors to power. it's the technique and also the timing play a big part. also fighters with longer leaner muscle tend to have better straight punches while compact stocky fighters tend to have better shorter punches.

[rge]

[QUOTE=cvt]

it's speed times the massQUOTE]

exactly...there are many factors to power. it's the technique and also the timing play a big part. also fighters with longer leaner muscle tend to have better straight punches while compact stocky fighters tend to have better shorter punches.

I didn't think about it before. Can you put some examples of each?

[cvt]

I didn't think about it before. Can you put some examples of each?

longer, leaner fighters that have good straight punches for example would be tommy herns (great right straight) or manny (straight left).

stocky guys like tyson, barrera have great short hooks and uppercuts..

[dangerousity]

Thanks, although Tyson is included in my list if you see the middle of the post. Pacman may be strong but less strong than Morales, this is one example I put. Don't know about Tszyu, but he may be wider than others or some other reasons.

Errr no way Morales more powerful than Pac. Thats why he chose to box instead of brawling and when he finally stood toe to toe he was wobbling around. Morales beat pacman with skill, not power...

Power comes down to legs, technique, weight & bone mass. Most boxers got the technique down so it goes down to the other 3. Naz had huge legs for feather, Tyson has huge legs, so does Pac. Dunno how to explain hearns, lol. Usually those with bigger bone mass punch harder, thinner guys are faster but weaker. A 6'5 130lbs will no way in hell punch harder than a 5'0 130lbs. Someone like Klitscko's & Lewis punches hard because of their overall weight, not height although height adds weight.

Your examples are pretty messed up too, why compare willard with johnson, why not Dempsey? lol

Like I said above, height cant only be stronger as it adds weight. However if you were to compare a tall & short person of exact same weight, the taller guy will be thinner therefore faster but weaker, the shorter guy will look much more bulked therefore slower but stronger.

[rge]

Errr no way Morales more powerful than Pac. Thats why he chose to box instead of brawling and when he finally stood toe to toe he was wobbling around. Morales beat pacman with skill, not power...

It wasn't how I saw the fight, although I didn't want any of them to win.
I saw a powerful body shot from Pacman at the round 1 and nothing more, all other punches were normal and didn't affect Morales much. To the contrary Morales pounches affected Pacman in some rounds. Pacman vas very stron at 122lbs. I would have liked to see Morales Pacman at 126, halfway between current weight and past weight, and even at 122, to watch a more competitive fight than it was at 130.

Power comes down to legs, technique, weight & bone mass. Most boxers got the technique down so it goes down to the other 3. Naz had huge legs for feather, Tyson has huge legs, so does Pac. Dunno how to explain hearns, lol. Usually those with bigger bone mass punch harder, thinner guys are faster but weaker. A 6'5 130lbs will no way in hell punch harder than a 5'0 130lbs. Someone like Klitscko's & Lewis punches hard because of their overall weight, not height.

Thanks, interesting. A 6'5" 130lbs is too thin that you lowered his mucle too much. Make same height example but at other weight: 6'5" 230lbs against a 5'0" 230lbs.