Comments Thread For: Mayweather Takes Verbal Shots at Pacquiao and Mosley

[Kalion]

Pac should not have taken the test.

For example: if a black man becomes partner a a law firm, and one of the white partners doesn't think he got the promotion based on performance, but because he's black, and insist that he takes the bar exam over to prove it, does he do it. NO!

Its about principle, not about trying to prove someone wrong. Floyd should have tried to clean up the sport when he was fighting Gatti, Baldomir, Judah, Dela Hoya etc.

Similar situation fail...

You explain it as if Pac is singled out and is the one one taking the test.Thats not the case as floyd was more than willing to follow the same testing guidlines as PAC. If the firm wants to implement a new policy that all assoicates must take the bar exam routinely throughout the year on the same day a new hire joins. Theres nothing wrong with that. They are at that point taking it upon themselves to be the best that they can be,just the same as floyd wanting to ensure they pac and himself were abiding to the same rules and procedures as fellow world class athlethes such as Usain Bolt, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James etc... Whats wrong with that?

[thatnickuh]

I formed my own opinion about Mayweather years ago and it hasn't changed. I have many posts where I supported my opinions regarding Mayweather with factually based arguments. I'm not going to retread all of those posts simply because my point of view is not in line with yours. In fact I'm free thinking as evidenced by the fact that a lot of posters obviously disagree with my assessments and that is okay because I will make them anyway. I brought up those gentleman because I respect them as journalists/experts in the field of boxing. Regarding your text which I've underlined above, a similar inference could be drawn regarding your posts as it seems the entire crux of your argument has been to attack my position without supporting your own...irony.

My position is this, I saw Mayweather's request for more stringent testing as reasonable and I thought that Pacquiao made himself look su****ious with the way that he refused the testing. I don't have to do a lot to back that position up because it's an unbias outlook that is based on common sense. Your position which is to defend Pacquiao/blame Mayweather at all cost is impossible to support in my opinion, that's why you're not looking too good here. This shouldn't even be about your personal opinion of Mayweather. It ws clear to me from the beginning that you either had something against Mayweather or you were an extreme Pacquiao fan.

Criticism is a healthy part of all online forums, without it there would exist no room for healthy debate. I'm not emotionally invested in protecting or making excuses for Pac, frankly I could care less about the man apart from being a fan but as I've said in many other threads, if the commission requests blood tests and he refuses to comply, then by all means he deserves the criticism and rightfully so. Mayweather does not represent the commission and one man is not bigger than the sport.You and I happen to differ on how those rules should be applied and by whom. So again you can choose to attack the post or me, either way it's of little consequence to me.

Responses like this is why I think that you have an agenda. You don't seem like a objective boxing fan, you seem like a member of Team Pacquiao. This is not about Mayweather being bigger than the sport. Did you accuse Pacquiao of acting like he was bigger than the sport when he put the 10 million dollar penalty in the contract? At least try to be objective. Both fighters had special requests that they put in the contract, one fighter agreed to several of his opponent's requests while the other fighter walked away from the fight because of his opponent's one request. Plus he contradicted himself numerous times in the process. Those are the facts my man. Stop trying to use the commission as an excuse, and look at things as an objective fan. If you understand how fighters can use PEDs while beating the current system and the dangers that can come with doped up fighters, then you should be all for more stringent testing for any fight that you can get. I don't understand why anyone would be for more stringent testing in general, but not until its goes through all of the bureaucracy of being legislated by the commissions of each state. That makes no sense to me. Your stance here is hypocritical and dishonest.

Rules in boxing are negotiated contractually. Drug testing is overseen by the athletic commission in a given jurisdiction, more testing on top of that can be included in the contract terms for either fighter if pre-negotiated. I've spoken personally to Jeff Mayweather years ago and my opinions regarding Floyd and his motives were strengthened then. Like I said you don't have to agree with me, nor am I looking for you or anyone else to agree with my positions hence why I can stand up and support my own opinions.

You're not supporting your opinions with anything other than your negative personal opinion of Mayweather. To you this is all abouit Mayweather's motives and whatnot. To me, this is all about wondering why a supposedly clean fighter would walk away from the biggest fight that he could ever make in his life, over a drug testing issue. Mayweather's motives for requesting more stringent testing is irrelevant to the real issue. Whether Mayweather is scared of Pacquiao or is so impressed by what he has seen that he can't believe it's true, all Pacquiao had to do is agree to call his bluff and make it happen. If he's clean, I don't see how the issue causes him to walk away. The request for more stringent testing was in the contract from the very beginning, so if Mayweather was searching for a way out, why would he pin all of his hopes on Pacquiao refusing the testing? Why not use one of Pacuiao's requests as an excuse for not taking the fight? Why even compromise on the issue?

[switchsouthpaw]

My position is this, I saw Mayweather's request for more stringent testing as reasonable and I thought that Pacquiao made himself look su****ious with the way that he refused the testing. I don't have to do a lot to back that position up because it's an unbias outlook that is based on common sense. Your position which is to defend Pacquiao/blame Mayweather at all cost is impossible to support in my opinion, that's why you're not looking too good here. This shouldn't even be about your personal opinion of Mayweather. It ws clear to me from the beginning that you either had something against Mayweather or you were an extreme Pacquiao fan.


Responses like this is why I think that you have an agenda. You don't seem like a objective boxing fan, you seem like a member of Team Pacquiao. This is not about Mayweather being bigger than the sport. Did you accuse Pacquiao of acting like he was bigger than the sport when he put the 10 million dollar penalty in the contract? At least try to be objective. Both fighters had special requests that they put in the contract, one fighter agreed to several of his opponent's requests while the other fighter walked away from the fight because of his opponent's one request. Plus he contradicted himself numerous times in the process. Those are the facts my man. Stop trying to use the commission as an excuse, and look at things as an objective fan. If you understand how fighters can use PEDs while beating the current system and the dangers that can come with doped up fighters, then you should be all for more stringent testing for any fight that you can get. I don't understand why anyone would be for more stringent testing in general, but not until its goes through all of the bureaucracy of being legislated by the commissions of each state. That makes no sense to me. Your stance here is hypocritical and dishonest.

You're not supporting your opinions with anything other than your negative personal opinion of Mayweather. To you this is all abouit Mayweather's motives and whatnot. To me, this is all about wondering why a supposedly clean fighter would walk away from the biggest fight that he could ever make in his life, over a drug testing issue. Mayweather's motives for requesting more stringent testing is irrelevant to the real issue. Whether Mayweather is scared of Pacquiao or is so impressed by what he has seen that he can't believe it's true, all Pacquiao had to do is agree to call his bluff and make it happen. If he's clean, I don't see how the issue causes him to walk away. The request for more stringent testing was in the contract from the very beginning, so if Mayweather was searching for a way out, why would he pin all of his hopes on Pacquiao refusing the testing? Why not use one of Pacuiao's requests as an excuse for not taking the fight? Why even compromise on the issue?

The funny part is the entire crux of your argument revolves around you questioning Manny's motives for not taking the test, but your criticizing my POV with respect to questioning Floyd's motives? IRONY I've already stated my position and I'm not swayed by your argument...move on.

[thatnickuh]

The funny part is the entire crux of your argument revolves around you questioning Manny's motives for not taking the test, but your criticizing my POV with respect to questioning Floyd's motives? IRONY I've already stated my position and I'm not swayed by your argument...move on.

No, the entire crux of my argument revolves around the facts of the matter. I'm not questioning Pacquiao's motives, I'm questioning his actions. I question his decision to walk away from the fight over the issue of random blood testing. I also question the truthfullness of the numerous excuses he and his team gave for not agreeing to the random testing. His motivation is clear but it's also irrelevant to me because i cant think of anything that will justify his actions or decisions. Mayweather's motives are irrelevant to me because I think that boxing needs more stringent testing regardless of how it comes about.

I know that you've stated your opinion and I think that it's clear that I've successfully rebutted it. If you want to give up and concede your "point", then you move on.

[DEATHPROOFPR]

Manny is suspect

Pacman is suspect because he didn't want the blood test and he turned down 40mil because "im scared of needles" suspect

[switchsouthpaw]

No, the entire crux of my argument revolves around the facts of the matter. I'm not questioning Pacquiao's motives, I'm questioning his actions. I question his decision to walk away from the fight over the issue of random blood testing. I also question the truthfullness(MOTIVE) of the numerous excuses he and his team gave for not agreeing to the random testing. His motivation is clear but it's also irrelevant to me because i cant think of anything that will justify his actions or decisions. Mayweather's motives are irrelevant to me because I think that boxing needs more stringent testing regardless of how it comes about.

I know that you've stated your opinion and I think that it's clear that I've successfully rebutted it. If you want to give up and concede your "point", then you move on.

Awesome go have a cookie.

[thatnickuh]

Awesome go have a cookie.

You seem to have a feminine personality, are you a woman?

[switchsouthpaw]

You seem to have a feminine personality, are you a woman?

Lol really? Coming from the guy who needs to write an entire dissertation as his rebuttal....feminine trait, but then again I'm not sexist towards women so I'll leave that up to you. As I've said you ignore the irony of your own posts, or maybe it's simply lost on you.

[thatnickuh]

Obviously you want the last word(just like my wife), maybe I'll let you have it. Maybe not.

[switchsouthpaw]

Obviously you want the last word(just like my wife), maybe I'll let you have it. Maybe not.

Lol and yet you've consistently responded to my original post...is irony really lost on you?