Ending the Myth of Castillo and Mayweather Jr.

[TheGreatA]

The way Mayweather would fight SRL would be different then what Duran in the first fight. Against Floyd SRL would have to be the aggressor because Floyd aint budging. I think Duran was very skilled. I just dont think he is AS skilled as Floyd Mayweather.

The point I'm trying to make it is that both are highly skilled in their own areas. Floyd at being defensive, Duran at being offensive. I think we can all agree that Mayweather would not stand much of a chance of beating Leonard the way Duran did. Look at the fights he has been the aggressor in, he gets hit a lot more than when he's fighting off the backfoot. Despite being at his best as a relentless aggressor, Duran actually wasn't half bad at fighting as the counter puncher. He went the distance with Marvin Hagler this way and made it a competitive fight all the way. Still, I'd never say he was as good at being defensive as Mayweather.

The thing with this is that Floyd doesnt have to engage when rushed. He simply just clinches and goes to work on the inside. Even when opponents are thisclose to him hes still hard to hit. I think his strength and inside fighting is very underrated. Oscar said he was one of the strongest fighters he ever faced. Not to mention Oscar has fought some strong dudes like Hops, Mayo, Tito, Sturm, etc.

Is he going to be able to clinch Duran though? Leonard couldn't in the first fight and he was physically stronger than Mayweather. At 135 Duran simply manhandled everyone he fought with superior strength. At the moment I can't come up with any opponent who had the better of Duran in an infight.

I agree that one fight shouldnt define a career. I just feel that Mayweather is a guy that Duran would not be looking foward to fighting. Mayweather moves wayy more then SRL does. He engages less. And has better defense and reflexes. And IMO is smarter inside the ring and makes less mistakes and takes less risks in the ring.

I don't think either would be looking forward to fighting each other. I don't think Mayweather moves as much as Leonard did in the rematch. He fights off the ropes fairly often. He also doesn't have the punching power that Leonard possessed. This made Duran a lot more hesitant about getting in.

When I watch that fight and the second one. I think its clear that Leonard tried to prove he was as tough as Duran and he wanted to stand up to him only to lose his belt in the process. In the second fight Leonard was having none of it. He danced his ass off. Sure Duran got him on the ropes a few times but Leonard was spinning off of him and getting back on his bike.

I think he was a good boxer. To be fair his power did him alot of favors against bigger dudes. Mayweathers smarts and his ability to adjust to any style is severely underrated on these boards.

I posted my thoughts about the Duran-Leonard fight here:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...&postcount=178

I don't think Duran's power was quite as telling as it had been at 135. He was a one punch KO artist as a lightweight but never carried his power above that weight. It was mostly his skill that allowed him to compete against bigger opponents.





Of course one can't underrate the skills and smarts of Mayweather, it would be a tough fight for both. I think people shouldn't just look at the second Ray Leonard fight though. That was one fight out of a hundred that Duran had.

[!! Shawn]

Not to mention he used both arms in the fight. He was just in over his head, and his ego won't ever let him admit that.

Torn rotator cuff sounds like a myth to me. He wasn't saying **** about it before the fight.

Stop with the excuses.

Castillo gave him his first loss. Deal with it.

Floyd never gives rematches, wonder why he did in this fight???

[!! Shawn]

I had Castillo in the first fight 114-112. Floyd should get a lot of respect for the giving the man an immediate rematch though. I though Floyd was afraid to lose? Why did he grant an immediate rematch to a guy that a lot of people thought he lost to?

Because Floyd wasn't a draw, and HBO says, rematch or you don't fight on HBO

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The point I'm trying to make it is that both are highly skilled in their own areas. Floyd at being defensive, Duran at being offensive. I think we can all agree that Mayweather would not stand much of a chance of beating Leonard the way Duran did. Look at the fights he has been the aggressor in, he gets hit a lot more than when he's fighting off the backfoot. Despite being at his best as a relentless aggressor, Duran actually wasn't half bad at fighting as the counter puncher. He went the distance with Marvin Hagler this way and made it a competitive fight all the way. Still, I'd never say he was as good at being defensive as Mayweather.



Is he going to be able to clinch Duran though? Leonard couldn't in the first fight and he was physically stronger than Mayweather. At 135 Duran simply manhandled everyone he fought with superior strength. At the moment I can't come up with any opponent who had the better of Duran in an infight.



I don't think either would be looking forward to fighting each other. I don't think Mayweather moves as much as Leonard did in the rematch. He fights off the ropes fairly often. He also doesn't have the punching power that Leonard possessed. This made Duran a lot more hesitant about getting in.



I posted my thoughts about the Duran-Leonard fight here:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...&postcount=178

I don't think Duran's power was quite as telling as it had been at 135. He was a one punch KO artist as a lightweight but never carried his power above that weight. It was mostly his skill that allowed him to compete against bigger opponents.





Of course one can't underrate the skills and smarts of Mayweather, it would be a tough fight for both. I think people shouldn't just look at the second Ray Leonard fight though. That was one fight out of a hundred that Duran had.

I agree with this. It wouldve been a site to see at 135 Pounds as well.

I know you know your stuff. My dad favorite fighter is Aaron Pryor and I get into with him all the time when I say Floyd would beat him.

Am I off in thinking that Pryor was just too wild and aggresive for a counter punching like Floyd? He also was not as versatile as Duuran was as far as being a boxer puncher.

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Not to mention he used both arms in the fight. He was just in over his head, and his ego won't ever let him admit that.

Yet he re-matched him and beat him clearly.

[Iceta Lives]

What does that have to do with the thread?

I thought this thread was about the Mayweather-Castillo fight. If it isn't then let me know and I'll change the subject and talk about something else.

[Pony Boy]

Stop making excuses for Floyd. He lost the first fight clearly. In the second fight, Castillo did not get in shape and it showed. He also failed to cut off the ring from a Floyd that used good foot work to avoid the hard hitting Castillo.

[TheGreatA]

I agree with this. It wouldve been a site to see at 135 Pounds as well.

I know you know your stuff. My dad favorite fighter is Aaron Pryor and I get into with him all the time when I say Floyd would beat him.

Am I off in thinking that Pryor was just too wild and aggresive for a counter punching like Floyd? He also was not as versatile as Duuran was as far as being a boxer puncher.

I don't rate Pryor as highly as most. Before I've said that it would essentially be a 50-50 fight but if Mayweather soundly handles Pacquiao in the future I may have to side with Floyd. I don't think Pryor proved a whole lot outside of his wins over Arguello which have some controversy about them. He struggled at times against good boxers. His recklessness did leave him open for counter-punching opportunities but I wonder if Mayweather has the power to truly stop Pryor on his tracks.

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I thought this thread was about the Mayweather-Castillo fight. If it isn't then let me know and I'll change the subject and talk about something else.

I wasnt tryna to be a ****.

I was just making thread because alot of people use that fight as a barometer to measure how other pressure fighters would do. Like Duran and Margarito when Floyd fought injured. I think they should use the second fight.

[p4p-champ]

I had Castillo in the first fight 114-112. Floyd should get a lot of respect for the giving the man an immediate rematch though. I though Floyd was afraid to lose? Why did he grant an immediate rematch to a guy that a lot of people thought he lost to?

Cause he knew he would whoop that ass even better with two arms instead of one.