The 10 levels of Professional Boxing

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Paul Williams. Level 9. Elite. I likes.

[STRUGG]

very fair.................

[Roy Hobbs]

Paul Williams. Level 9. Elite. I likes.

he has level 10 potential if only he could the name guys to fight him. Factor in his high offensive punch output the punisher will produce great fights. I hope hbo continues backing him.

[Roy Hobbs]

very fair.................

i would think so too.

[The Hate Giver]

Posted this on the history section but it seems as dead as dinosaurs over there. Maybe i can get NSB's opinion on this;

This is my opinion of the different levels or hierarchy of professional boxing. Starting from beginning professional to all time great living legend. I would like to identify which boxers past present & future are at which level/ point in their career. Feed back would be greatly appreciated.

Level 1 - Beginning professional.
5 to 10 fights. This is your omar henrys, matyev korobovs, erislandy laras & shawn porters, rigondeauxs etc.

Level 2 - Tomato Cans.
The no hopers. Chums for beginning professionals. Probably boxing as a part time gig.

Level 3 - Young Prospect
Past the the beginning stage of their career. ready for the next step. This is your saul alvarez & to a certain extent chavez jr. (at least he's being treated by top rank as such.)

Level 4 - Journey Men
Good enough not to be labeled as tomato cans but have no future in the sport. This might be your emmanuel augustuses, monte barrets & hector velasquezes.

Level 5 - Shot/Washed up Name
Former contenders, hall of famers who have no business fighting professionally & need to retire asap. These are your erik moraleses, evander holyfields, marco barreras, & sad to say roy jones jr.

Level 6 - Gate Keepers
Done as elite fighters but not done as a good honest pugilistic professional. Get past this bunch you are a serious professional that is ready for the next level. This bunch could include rocky juarez, ricardo mayorga(maybe too high), antonio tarver, glenn johnson, & nate campbells of the world.

Level 7 - Contenders
Ready for a title shot, a shot at the champions. This your yuriorkis gamboas, urbano antillons, vanes martirosyans, bernabe conceptions, & eddie chambers.

Level 8 - Belt Holder/champion
This is a very ambiguous level. Sure they are above gate keepers & contenders but with the ubiquitous nature of belts & champions the boxers who reside in this level could also be considered level 7 contenders or even gate keepers. This is everybody with a title or belt.

Level 9 - Elite Fighter Status
This level is what differentiates a true champion with a belt to a ordinary fighter who happens to have a belt. This is your p4p top 10. You dont have to own a belt to be considered elite. This is the shane mosley, paul williams, chad dawson, arthur abrahams & bernard hopkins.

Level 10 - Super Star/ Legend Status
This is a level above elite. You cant be too gracious with this designation. I think only 1 or 2 fighters can be considered in this level each year. Sometimes you could go years without anyone attaining this level. I think this level requires some out of ring attributes. I think you have to transcend the sport. I think You have to galvanize the fans, the media, & non boxing fans to consider yourself for this level. I can only think of 2 fighters currently fighting that fit this criteria: Manny Pacquiao & Floyd Mayweather jr.


What do you think guys? Agree or disagree with the placement of levels or the placement of fighters in the levels? I would be glad to see your opinion.

we could identify currently active fighters & which level do they belong in right now. we could talk about fighters who will move up in the higher levels, which fighters will move down. we could talk about fighters throughout history; the highest levels each attained, the lowest. we could talk about the wins of a fighter & at which level were the fighters that they defeated were at.

I would like to see & participate in serious discussions. No name calling or childish talk please.

very nice read. I wonder where haye, hopkins, ruiz, & jones jr. rank after tonight.

[Roy Hobbs]

very nice read. I wonder where haye, hopkins, ruiz, & jones jr. rank after tonight.

If hopkins wins in dominating fashion he stays at level 9. If he wins but struggles he could drop from a level 9 to level 7 contender status or level 8. Jones jr. i already have in level 5. if he wins he could go up to level 6 gate keeper status. If he scores a ko up to level 7. If he loses a competitive fight he stays at 5. If just looks awful, still stays at level 5. Being who he is & what he accomplished, that's as low as he can go.

Haye is already a level 8, but i consider him to be really a level 7 talent fighter. if he wins he doesnt move up. Only way he moves up to level 9 is fighting & beating either klit brother. Ruiz is level 5 or 6. dont really care about him.

[Blue Heffner]

This was nicely put man...Green K.

[Nulle]

So if we're going to follow this, the level/quality/status of opponent of Floyd/Manny at the time they fought them is as follows...

Floyd Mayweather (Last 20)

Gerena - Level 7
Vargas - Level 4
Augustus - Level 2
Hernandez - Level 7
Chavez - Level 7
Castillo - Level 8
Castillo 2 - Level 7
Sosa - Level 7
N'dou - Level 7
Corley - Level 6
Bruseles - Level 4
Gatti - Level 8
Mitchell - Level 6
Judah - Level 8
Baldomir - Level 8
De La Hoya - Level 8/Level 6
Hatton - Level 9
Marquez - Level 9
Mosley - Level 9*

Next Opponent: Ortiz Level 8


Manny Pacquiao (last 20)

Yeshmagambetov - Level 2
Lucero - level 7
Barrera 1 - level 9
Marquez - level 8
Fahsan 3K Battery - Level 4
Morales 1 - Level 9
Velazquez - Level 4
Morales 2 - Level 7
Larios - Level 6
Morales 3 - Level 6
Solis - Level 7
Barrera 2 - Level 6
Marquez 2 - Level 9
Diaz - Level 8
De La Hoya - Level 5
Hatton - Level 8
Cotto - Level 9
Clottey - Level 7
Margarito - Level 7
Shane Mosley - Level 5

Next Opponent: Marquez 3 - Level 9

[Nulle]

Paul Williams. Level 9. Elite. I likes.

A year later...

Paul Williams. Level 6. Gatekeeper. Still likes?

[The Big Dunn]

A year later...

Paul Williams. Level 6. Gatekeeper. Still likes?

I would say contender at worst.