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  • warp1432
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    A couple of thoughts regarding some common points on here lately

    This may or may not be long. Just kind of typing as I'm thinking here, so here it goes.

    A. Even if Shane Mosley is 38 years old, he still is better then anyone else out there save for Manny Pacquiao for Floyd to fight:

    A lot of pepole on here are saying that Mosley is 38 years old and past his prime? Is that true? Yes it is, but just because they might be past their best, does not make him a terrible fighter. This goes in general for boxers who are elite, but past their prime.

    Oscar De la Hoya fell into this category in 2007. At 154, Past his prime Oscar still would have beaten any top Jr. Middleweight and most of the welters who would step up to 154 in that period.

    This also goes for Barrera and Morales (not now, they're shot, but back then), when they became past their primes, but kept beating top notch contenders.

    So this brings us back to Mosley. He is still the best fighter for Floyd to fight, save for Pacquiao. He would have beaten anyone on a potential list of opponents for Mayweather, except if you count Paul Williams on that list.

    B. Ricky Hatton is a good win for Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather:

    People like to write off Pacquiao and Mayweather's win of Hatton for some reason. Probably because they both brutally knocked him out, but Ricky Hatton was a good fighter. Pacquiao no doubt looked more impressive, but make no mistake that Ricky Hatton at 147 was a pretty damn good win.

    People say that Hatton was too small for 147, but I disagree. If he had a fight going into the Mayweather fight, he'd have been ranked in the top 5 there most likely since he has a win over Collazo and was ranked pound for pound at the time.

    More importantly, Hatton's style was supposed to give Mayweather a lot of problems. Yes Mayweather was the favorite, but a lot of people predicted that even in a Mayweather win that Hatton's pressure style was going to make him look bad.

    Hatton's style was pretty good too. He knew what he was doing and had pretty decent footspeed and could cut off the ring. He had a good output and was a good body puncher. Props to both fighters for the win.

    Speaking of 2007...

    C. Mayweather fighting Mosley now is a lot better then Mayweather fighting Mosley in 2007:

    Mayweather fighting Hatton was a lot better fight at the time. Hatton was undefeated, presented challenges that Mayweather apparently hadn't seen before, and Mosley with a win over Collazo wasn't enough to demand a fight with Floyd. It would look worse for Floyd if he had fought "another old guy" then the undefeated and on the pound for pound list challenger.

    Now maybe if Mosley had beat Cotto, then he should have. My number one problem with Mayweather's career is he skipped out a Cotto fight. He should have fought Cotto, who was his number one challenger, but it ended up all working out.

    Mosley at 38, doesn't look that different from when he did with Cotto, except probably better strategy wise with ****m Richardson in his corner. Now is the time for Mosley Mayweather to happen and I'm so excited it is.

    D. Cotto clearly beat Mosley the first time, but Mosley would beat him in a rematch now:

    Not much to say here, besides this is my opinion. Mosley would have a better gameplan this time, that I don't think Cotto could deal with. Cotto, while still very good, probably isn't the same fighter he was in 07. Factor in that and Mosley being a bit better himself, Mosley would KO him now.

    E. Completely non Mayweather/Mosley/Pacquiao related, but....

    ZAB JUDAH IS NOT A 140 POUNDER. I don't care how many times he says it. Until Zab Judah makes 140 pounds, he is not fighting in the Jr. Welterweight division. He keeps boasting about how he's coming to 140. He's done this since after his loss to Clottey, but he has still yet to officially make 140. He's weighed 144.5 and 145 in his last two bouts. He weighed 143 vs Clottey, but losing the last 3 pounds for an older fighter can be near impossible. Just ask Nate Campbell.

    That's all.
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    Originally posted by warp1432
    This may or may not be long. Just kind of typing as I'm thinking here, so here it goes.

    A. Even if Shane Mosley is 38 years old, he still is better then anyone else out there save for Manny Pacquiao for Floyd to fight:

    A lot of pepole on here are saying that Mosley is 38 years old and past his prime? Is that true? Yes it is, but just because they might be past their best, does not make him a terrible fighter. This goes in general for boxers who are elite, but past their prime.

    Oscar De la Hoya fell into this category in 2007. At 154, Past his prime Oscar still would have beaten any top Jr. Middleweight and most of the welters who would step up to 154 in that period.

    This also goes for Barrera and Morales (not now, they're shot, but back then), when they became past their primes, but kept beating top notch contenders.

    So this brings us back to Mosley. He is still the best fighter for Floyd to fight, save for Pacquiao. He would have beaten anyone on a potential list of opponents for Mayweather, except if you count Paul Williams on that list.

    B. Ricky Hatton is a good win for Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather:

    People like to write off Pacquiao and Mayweather's win of Hatton for some reason. Probably because they both brutally knocked him out, but Ricky Hatton was a good fighter. Pacquiao no doubt looked more impressive, but make no mistake that Ricky Hatton at 147 was a pretty damn good win.

    People say that Hatton was too small for 147, but I disagree. If he had a fight going into the Mayweather fight, he'd have been ranked in the top 5 there most likely since he has a win over Collazo and was ranked pound for pound at the time.

    More importantly, Hatton's style was supposed to give Mayweather a lot of problems. Yes Mayweather was the favorite, but a lot of people predicted that even in a Mayweather win that Hatton's pressure style was going to make him look bad.

    Hatton's style was pretty good too. He knew what he was doing and had pretty decent footspeed and could cut off the ring. He had a good output and was a good body puncher. Props to both fighters for the win.

    Speaking of 2007...

    C. Mayweather fighting Mosley now is a lot better then Mayweather fighting Mosley in 2007:

    Mayweather fighting Hatton was a lot better fight at the time. Hatton was undefeated, presented challenges that Mayweather apparently hadn't seen before, and Mosley with a win over Collazo wasn't enough to demand a fight with Floyd. It would look worse for Floyd if he had fought "another old guy" then the undefeated and on the pound for pound list challenger.

    Now maybe if Mosley had beat Cotto, then he should have. My number one problem with Mayweather's career is he skipped out a Cotto fight. He should have fought Cotto, who was his number one challenger, but it ended up all working out.

    Mosley at 38, doesn't look that different from when he did with Cotto, except probably better strategy wise with ****m Richardson in his corner. Now is the time for Mosley Mayweather to happen and I'm so excited it is.

    D. Cotto clearly beat Mosley the first time, but Mosley would beat him in a rematch now:

    Not much to say here, besides this is my opinion. Mosley would have a better gameplan this time, that I don't think Cotto could deal with. Cotto, while still very good, probably isn't the same fighter he was in 07. Factor in that and Mosley being a bit better himself, Mosley would KO him now.

    E. Completely non Mayweather/Mosley/Pacquiao related, but....

    ZAB JUDAH IS NOT A 140 POUNDER. I don't care how many times he says it. Until Zab Judah makes 140 pounds, he is not fighting in the Jr. Welterweight division. He keeps boasting about how he's coming to 140. He's done this since after his loss to Clottey, but he has still yet to officially make 140. He's weighed 144.5 and 145 in his last two bouts. He weighed 143 vs Clottey, but losing the last 3 pounds for an older fighter can be near impossible. Just ask Nate Campbell.

    That's all.
    You think Thomas Hearns can destroy Winky Wright the way he did Duran at 154? or maybe schuller at 160?


    who'll win this?

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      #3
      Originally posted by Castor_Troy
      You think Thomas Hearns can destroy Winky Wright the way he did Duran at 154? or maybe schuller at 160?


      who'll win this?
      Pretty random, but I would think Wright would put up a good holding. I think Hearns would stop him though. Winky had great defense, but in the end I don't think Winky would get past Hearns' Jab or height. If Hearns stops him, it's late. Not early.

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        I agree with pretty much everything you said Warp.

        The one thing that made me laugh... Mosley beating Collazo does donut to warrant a fight with Mayweather, BUT, Hatton's credentials at welterweight were legit because he would have been ranked top 5 for his P4P status and beating Collazo.

        Seems fairly contradictory.

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          #5
          Originally posted by DWiens421
          I agree with pretty much everything you said Warp.

          The one thing that made me laugh... Mosley beating Collazo does donut to warrant a fight with Mayweather, BUT, Hatton's credentials at welterweight were legit because he would have been ranked top 5 for his P4P status and beating Collazo.

          Seems fairly contradictory.
          Yeah, but an undefeated fighter who is his in prime, ranked on the pound for pound list seems a lot better then fighting "another old guy" at the time.

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            Originally posted by warp1432
            This may or may not be long. Just kind of typing as I'm thinking here, so here it goes.

            A. Even if Shane Mosley is 38 years old, he still is better then anyone else out there save for Manny Pacquiao for Floyd to fight:

            A lot of pepole on here are saying that Mosley is 38 years old and past his prime? Is that true? Yes it is, but just because they might be past their best, does not make him a terrible fighter. This goes in general for boxers who are elite, but past their prime.

            Oscar De la Hoya fell into this category in 2007. At 154, Past his prime Oscar still would have beaten any top Jr. Middleweight and most of the welters who would step up to 154 in that period.

            This also goes for Barrera and Morales (not now, they're shot, but back then), when they became past their primes, but kept beating top notch contenders.

            So this brings us back to Mosley. He is still the best fighter for Floyd to fight, save for Pacquiao. He would have beaten anyone on a potential list of opponents for Mayweather, except if you count Paul Williams on that list.

            B. Ricky Hatton is a good win for Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather:

            People like to write off Pacquiao and Mayweather's win of Hatton for some reason. Probably because they both brutally knocked him out, but Ricky Hatton was a good fighter. Pacquiao no doubt looked more impressive, but make no mistake that Ricky Hatton at 147 was a pretty damn good win.

            People say that Hatton was too small for 147, but I disagree. If he had a fight going into the Mayweather fight, he'd have been ranked in the top 5 there most likely since he has a win over Collazo and was ranked pound for pound at the time.

            More importantly, Hatton's style was supposed to give Mayweather a lot of problems. Yes Mayweather was the favorite, but a lot of people predicted that even in a Mayweather win that Hatton's pressure style was going to make him look bad.

            Hatton's style was pretty good too. He knew what he was doing and had pretty decent footspeed and could cut off the ring. He had a good output and was a good body puncher. Props to both fighters for the win.

            Speaking of 2007...

            C. Mayweather fighting Mosley now is a lot better then Mayweather fighting Mosley in 2007:

            Mayweather fighting Hatton was a lot better fight at the time. Hatton was undefeated, presented challenges that Mayweather apparently hadn't seen before, and Mosley with a win over Collazo wasn't enough to demand a fight with Floyd. It would look worse for Floyd if he had fought "another old guy" then the undefeated and on the pound for pound list challenger.

            Now maybe if Mosley had beat Cotto, then he should have. My number one problem with Mayweather's career is he skipped out a Cotto fight. He should have fought Cotto, who was his number one challenger, but it ended up all working out.

            Mosley at 38, doesn't look that different from when he did with Cotto, except probably better strategy wise with ****m Richardson in his corner. Now is the time for Mosley Mayweather to happen and I'm so excited it is.

            D. Cotto clearly beat Mosley the first time, but Mosley would beat him in a rematch now:

            Not much to say here, besides this is my opinion. Mosley would have a better gameplan this time, that I don't think Cotto could deal with. Cotto, while still very good, probably isn't the same fighter he was in 07. Factor in that and Mosley being a bit better himself, Mosley would KO him now.

            E. Completely non Mayweather/Mosley/Pacquiao related, but....

            ZAB JUDAH IS NOT A 140 POUNDER. I don't care how many times he says it. Until Zab Judah makes 140 pounds, he is not fighting in the Jr. Welterweight division. He keeps boasting about how he's coming to 140. He's done this since after his loss to Clottey, but he has still yet to officially make 140. He's weighed 144.5 and 145 in his last two bouts. He weighed 143 vs Clottey, but losing the last 3 pounds for an older fighter can be near impossible. Just ask Nate Campbell.

            That's all.
            Mayweather did not skip out on a Cotto fight. He called Cotto out at 140. Bob Arum and Cotto's trainer would not put Cotto in the ring with Mayweather. The fact that Cotto called him out at 147 does not make Mayweather a dodger anymore than Cotto was a dodger at 140, especially since Mayweather stood to make two to three times as much fighting Hatton as he did Cotto at the time..

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            • warp1432
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              #7
              Originally posted by big_james10
              Mayweather did not skip out on a Cotto fight. He called Cotto out at 140. Bob Arum and Cotto's trainer would not put Cotto in the ring with Mayweather. The fact that Cotto called him out at 147 does not make Mayweather a dodger anymore than Cotto was a dodger at 140, especially since Mayweather stood to make two to three times as much fighting Hatton as he did Cotto at the time..
              Afterwards mate, he retired instead of fighting Cotto. Pretty sure he was sick of the sport because he even bailed out of a ****load of money to fight DLH again in a fight no one wanted to see.

              Mayweather calling out Cotto at 140, doesn't make up for the fact he didn't fight his number one contender at 147, who had a hell of a resume at the time.

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                Originally posted by warp1432
                This may or may not be long. Just kind of typing as I'm thinking here, so here it goes.

                A. Even if Shane Mosley is 38 years old, he still is better then anyone else out there save for Manny Pacquiao for Floyd to fight:

                B. Ricky Hatton is a good win for Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather:

                Speaking of 2007...

                C. Mayweather fighting Mosley now is a lot better then Mayweather fighting Mosley in 2007:


                D. Cotto clearly beat Mosley the first time, but Mosley would beat him in a rematch now:

                E. Completely non Mayweather/Mosley/Pacquiao related, but....

                That's all.
                I had to cut some space for your wonderful post. But it is indeed a great post and it deserves to be given Green K

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                • Fox McCloud
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by warp1432
                  Yeah, but an undefeated fighter who is his in prime, ranked on the pound for pound list seems a lot better then fighting "another old guy" at the time.
                  Yes, I agree with this.

                  I was just saying that it was odd to see you say "Hatton is a legit welter, because he barely beat Collazo" and "Mosley didn't prove **** by crushing Collazo".

                  Mosley, from the time he moved up to 154 was pretty non-impressive up until this Margarito masterpiece he put on, so I think Hatton was a better opponent at the time, and your analysis as to why is pretty damn spot on.

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