Better wins for Floyd at WW: Cotto/Marg or Mosley/Pacman.

[WhoreUs]

Antonio Margarito. Plaster. They will always be synonymous. Antonio Margarito is limited trash. **** him.

The Cotto fight should have happened, but eh, whatever. If Cotto didn't lose brutally twice we may still be talking about it.

we can say that now
not in past tense as the thread implies
these guys were on top at WW
Floyd woulda gotten full respect for beating them
it's easy for critics to **** on Mosley or Pac wins now
not so with Marg and Cotto a little while back
then vs now, Marg/Cotto woulda done Floyd more good

[-Reflexes-]

Do you want to quote FLoyd on all the excuse again?

Floyd didnt want non of either guy, specially Cotto.

When Cotto beat Mosley and Floyd Hatton that was the perfect time to make the fght and when ask, Floyd Said he wont let boxing retire him. But he came back for a lw. ****ing lame!

He been planning retirement. He needed to rest his body.

[jrosales13]

Arum had alot of bull**** in the Marg contract It was future fight deals that Floyd dint want a part of that Arum was trying to lock him in with.

If Cotto and Marg werent Top Rank the fight would've happened.

Pac/Arum will work with Floyd for 200 Million.

That is not really true... Well it can be but it depends on what way you really look at it...

But, let me ask you... do you think the Zab Judah fight was necessary? And, lets remember that the fight was not signed before Zab fought Baldomir, lets also remember that Marg also had a belt. And, a belt that was considered more legit then the one that Zab had. Also Zab was comming of a lost. And, Margarito was ranked higher at the time...

[-Reflexes-]

That is not really true... Well it can be but it depends on what way you really look at it...

But, let me ask you... do you think the Zab Judah fight was necessary? And, lets remember that the fight was not signed before Zab fought Baldomir, lets also remember that Marg also had a belt. And, a belt that was considered more legit then the one that Zab had. Also Zab was comming of a lost. And, Margarito was ranked higher at the time...

Im under the belief that it was signed but to answer you I think Zab vs. Floyd was a fight that people wanted to see. Most knew Zab was playing around against Baldi and lost.

Zab gave Floyd a tough fight in the early going anyway.

Marg vs. Mayweather wouldve been target practice.

[jrosales13]

Im under the belief that it was signed but to answer you I think Zab vs. Floyd was a fight that people wanted to see. Most knew Zab was playing around against Baldi and lost.

Zab gave Floyd a tough fight in the early going anyway.

Marg vs. Mayweather wouldve been target practice.

It was not signed, it agreed but not signed.

But, just cuz people wanted to see it does not make it necessary. For example before Roy lost to Green. People wanted to see Hopkins-Jones II but it was really not necessary... And, also there was the same amount of people that wanted to see Floyd-Margarito...

And, what makes you think that Zab was playing around with Baldo? Why would he play around? Or why after 8 or 9 rounds when it was close why not get serious and beat Baldo? Why did he keep playing around for the whole 12 rounds?

And, why fight a guy who does not take boxing seriously? A fighter who plays around and losses does not take boxing seriously...

But, why not fight Marg and have Zab prove that the Baldo fight was a fluke? Beat Marg and fight the winner of the Zab-Baldo rematch?

[tesla_power]

So Margarito is as good as Pac?

Baldi was the Number 1 WW before too.

Don't mistake me. I'm a bigger fan of pac than any fighter. That Cotto and that Margarito are beasts. Before they met, they hold wins over almost every significant WW contender with only Pwill and Floyd as the exception.

Pac has 2 fights at WW. Hindsight include, only one is really a gauge of his abilities (Cotto).
Mosley in the last 3 years at WW got Collazo, Cotto, and Marg ... losing to Cotto.

You can make the P4P argument and spin it anyway you want but the WW resume of Cotto and Marg speaks for itself.

Margarito is not as good as Pac. But we are not talking P4P status here. We are talking actual fights and matchups. Why do you ask over Baldomir? Never ****ted on the guy actually respected him and do not take that win from Floyd. He was a one time WW no. 1 guy. The best continuously fights the best. It is not a one shot deal. Fact is before Floyd went on retirement, there were 2 guys primed and ready to take the WW crown from him. That was Cotto and Margarito.

[hanzoh74]

Don't mistake me. I'm a bigger fan of pac than any fighter. That Cotto and that Margarito are beasts. Before they met, they hold wins over almost every significant WW contender with only Pwill and Floyd as the exception.

Pac has 2 fights at WW. Hindsight include, only one is really a gauge of his abilities (Cotto).
Mosley in the last 3 years at WW got Collazo, Cotto, and Marg ... losing to Cotto.

You can make the P4P argument and spin it anyway you want but the WW resume of Cotto and Marg speaks for itself.

Margarito is not as good as Pac. But we are not talking P4P status here. We are talking actual fights and matchups. Why do you ask over Baldomir? Never ****ted on the guy actually respected him and do not take that win from Floyd. He was a one time WW no. 1 guy. The best continuously fights the best. It is not a one shot deal. Fact is before Floyd went on retirement, there were 2 guys primed and ready to take the WW crown from him. That was Cotto and Margarito.

Baldomir is a paper champ the weakest of the champions in 147 thats why FMJ picked him.....just like *****s discrediting D.Diaz as the weakest lightweight at that time

[tesla_power]

Baldomir is a paper champ the weakest of the champions in 147 thats why FMJ picked him.....just like *****s discrediting D.Diaz as the weakest lightweight at that time

I know that. But you don't get to a world champion by being a bum. Weakest or not, he got the lineal claim by beating Judah fair and square. He had a very good string of victories ( I think 15 ) with the robbery against Clottey. A true cinderella story. We can always say that Baldomir and Diaz are the weakest beltholder but respect should be given considering they overrachieve with what they have ...which is more or less just a good work ethic.

[fdotorres]

It was suppose to say ALL 4.

People expect Floyd to fight EVERYBODY.

that's what ATG's are supposed to do, especially those tha claim to be better than ali and robinson because of their record

anyway, i'll cooperate with your ****** poll, just not in they way you want me to. i know what you're trying to do here: give floyd a pass if he beats both pac and mosley

come on man, some of us are smarter than that

[fdotorres]

He been planning retirement. He needed to rest his body.

why would a guy who's ducking every threat on the horizon need to rest his body? i wanna now who punished him enough for him to retire almost 2 years

he didn't need time to heal anything. he just needed time for the WW to destroy themselves in wars while pac moved up. now he plans to fight pac and mosley and retire again. i'd go all in on that any day