Y2K Oscar and Shane **** on any version of Floyd

[pasawayako]

i like floyd alot but i have to agree to ts, year 2k version of mosley and dela hoya destroy floyd but an old and past prime mosley will be a 50-50 against a prime mayweather.

[DLT]

my statement about oscar and floyd is true though.

around 2000 was when they were at their peak.



i don't think floyd had to fill out to WW , he was fine 3-5 years ago.

well I maintain that the reason he didnt want to fight Margarito & Cotto was that he was coming into the ring at basically 146 pounds for those fights and he feared that he may lose strictly on size alone. I think he felt that he would win but could lose and he would kill himself if he lost to an inferior guy like Margarito just because he was too big & strong for him to compete with. I bet anything that this Floyd would fight that version of Margarito & Cotto because he's probably 152 and can handle himself alot better now. Some think he's bigger than that but I dont. We cant act like that doesnt matter. IDK if he was big & strong enough to hold those guys off at that time. At best he wouldve had to been running all fight. Now he can go heads up with those guys physically

[Jim Jeffries]

come on now, you act like Floyd is the same guy he was in 2000. You cant have it both ways. He still wasnt better P4P than Floyd was as a pure fighter and neither was Shane, even though they got more credit at the time. You act like people didnt feel like Oscar didnt get alot of gifts. People also felt that Shane had a horrible resume before Oscar and he started losing right after that fight so lets not act like these guys were unbeatable or that Floyd couldnt compete with them. Its all relative. People dont think they are the same but people also say that Floyd isnt nearly as good at WW as he was before the move up so dont people cant downplay Floyd and boost those guys up. Thats not fair

Who did Shane lose to (in his prime) that wasn't much bigger than him?

Yeah, I hear people calling the Sweet Pea fight a gift for Oscar, but I've seen it several times and the right guy won that fight. The only two fights of his you could call gifts were the Quartey and Sturm fights, and he was past his best and out of his weight range against Sturm. Plus I think Oscar won the Tito and second Mosley fights so that cancels out the other two.

And Floyd never fought anyone one the level of a prime Shane or Oscar, so it's all speculation.

Floyd is closer to his prime that the versions of Oscar and Shane that he fought/will fight.

[Tampatrader0468]

come on now, you act like Floyd is the same guy he was in 2000. You cant have it both ways. He still wasnt better P4P than Floyd was as a pure fighter and neither was Shane, even though they got more credit at the time. You act like people didnt feel like Oscar didnt get alot of gifts. People also felt that Shane had a horrible resume before Oscar and he started losing right after that fight so lets not act like these guys were unbeatable or that Floyd couldnt compete with them. Its all relative. People dont think they are the same but people also say that Floyd isnt nearly as good at WW as he was before the move up so dont people cant downplay Floyd and boost those guys up. Thats not fair

Was floyd ever a pure fighter? I thought he has always been a boxer first... And all the non sense about floyd's father thinking oscar won the fight is only because he was training and representing oscar during that fight, it would look bad for him to not think in a close fight that his fighter had done everything to win... Floyd clearly won the fight with oscar look at every stat that matters... I guess oscar had pushed the fight, but he didn't exactly do anything with floyd when he realized he couldn't win rounds... Isn't that why he abandoned his jab or was it the fact that oscar couldn't get his jab off on floyd's guard? I could be wrong someone tell me otherwise so that I know...

[DLT]

i like floyd alot but i have to agree to ts, year 2k version of mosley and dela hoya destroy floyd but an old and past prime mosley will be a 50-50 against a prime mayweather.

How can people say that when Mosley hadnt really beaten anyone and then was soon dominated by Forrest? Oscar lost to Tito and alot of people think he lost to Ike & Pea. I just dont see it

[DLT]

Who did Shane lose to (in his prime) that wasn't much bigger than him?

Yeah, I hear people calling the Sweet Pea fight a gift for Oscar, but I've seen it several times and the right guy won that fight.

And Floyd never fought anyone one the level of a prime Shane or Oscar, so it's all speculation.

Floyd is closer to his prime that the versions of Oscar and Shane that he fought/will fight.

Forrest, much bigger? How is that? Just because he is tall? That dont mean nothing. They were the same size to me and then Forrest gets KO in his next fight. Shane had mad talent but he's never been a smart fighter. He will do the same thing for all 12 rounds even if its not working. If Floyd is closer to his prime then its only because he's a better fighter than them. He's more complete and thats why he is doing his thang. Again, you cant just look at those guys from 2k. What about Floyd back then fighting Chico? He was a straight beast also.

[Jim Jeffries]

Forrest, much bigger? How is that? Just because he is tall? That dont mean nothing. They were the same size to me and then Forrest gets KO in his next fight. Shane had mad talent but he's never been a smart fighter. He will do the same thing for all 12 rounds even if its not working. If Floyd is closer to his prime then its only because he's a better fighter than them. He's more complete and thats why he is doing his thang. Again, you cant just look at those guys from 2k. What about Floyd back then fighting Chico? He was a straight beast also.

Forrest was clearly a bigger fighter than Mosley.

Corrales was never on the level of a DLH or Mosley.

[DLT]

well my thing is this. I think people are misreading things because those guys were 2 solidly built true WWs in there prime while Floyd has basically looked his worst at WW. I think now out of retriment he will looked better because he has filled into his frame. If you are going by age wise, to me its like comparing those versions of Oscar & Shane to the Floyd who fought Gatti. My point is that those guys arent better than that version of Floyd. You guys are just looking at it from a WW perspective and thats not fair.

Floyd's career isnt done at WW and I believe we will start to see him fight more Offensive there but you cant go back to that version of Shane & Oscar without comparing him to the Floyd that fought Gatti since its like the same age level, prime, and size comparison. Gatti isnt those 2 and I know that but Im just speaking of Floyd. You can watch a guy and tell if he's good and he was good as hell right then. Thats the same as Shane & Oscar were back then but I think Floyd is clearly the better fighter to me