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  • Silencers
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    #41
    Originally posted by Ch@mpBox@PR
    Jack ass says wut?

    Lets compare resumes

    Floyd Mayweather


    Wins
    A
    Castillo x2
    Corrales
    De La Hoya
    Hatton
    Hernandez

    B

    Judah
    Baldomir
    Chavez
    Corley
    N'Dou
    Gerena
    Sosa
    Hernandez

    C

    JMM (Too much of a size adavantage)
    Gatti
    Mitchell
    Augustus
    Manfredy
    Pep

    Accomplishment

    6 time world Champ in 5 divisions(130WBC, 135WBC, 140WBC, 147WBC/IBF, 154BC)

    2 Division Lineal Champ(135, 147)


    Roy Jones Jr.

    Wins
    A

    Toney
    Hopkins
    Tarver

    B
    Ruiz
    Gonzalez
    Hill
    Johnson
    Harding
    Grant
    Kelly
    Woods

    C
    Pazienza
    Lacy
    Griffith
    Harmon
    Del Valle

    Accomplishments

    7 Time World Champ in 4 Divisions(160IBF, 168IBF, 175WBC/IBF/WBA, HW-WBA)

    No lineal championships!!
    Not to say anything bad but you put Hernandez as an 'B' win but put guys like Gatti and JMM (even though he was smaller), at 'C'? Then you got guys like Gerena and Sosa over guys like Augustus and Manfredy?

    Then you have guys like Derrick Harmon and Del Valle at 'C' while having Glenn Kelly at 'B'?
    Last edited by Silencers; 02-03-2010, 12:27 AM.

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    • Ch@mpBox@PR
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      #42
      Originally posted by street bully
      Castillo, Coralles, a shot Oscar, and Hatton have nothing on James Toney alone, nothing. Those guys might not even be first ballot HOFers. Also Oscar lost to anyone who was anything. We already know about Hatton.
      Yes because 1 win alone Defines you whole careerr!

      Again how many times has Rjj been a lineal champ?

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      • 72-10
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        #43
        Sweet Pea is #1 on my list but I guess I'm biased. And that decision for DLH was a shame.

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        • Ch@mpBox@PR
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          #44
          Originally posted by Silencers
          Not to say anything bad but you put Hernandez as an 'A' win but put guys like Gatti and JMM (even though he was smaller), at 'C'? Then you got guys like Gerena and Sosa over guys like Augustus and Manfredy?

          Then you have guys like Derrick Harmon and Del Valle at 'C' while having Glenn Kelly at 'B'?

          You have to take into account when they fought those guys buddy.

          I might swtch Del valle with Kelly though

          Gerena was a better fight than Augustus and Sosa was better than manfredy skills wise, not resume wise so I can change those 2.


          But you got the point!!!

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          • street bully
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            #45
            Originally posted by Ch@mpBox@PR
            Yes because 1 win alone Defines you whole careerr!

            Again how many times has Rjj been a lineal champ?
            Like the European guy even stood a chance. Tell me one time Jones was ina weight division, other than heavy, where he would have lost to the linear champ. Toney was the man at 168 and Jones beat him. He then won almost every alphabet title at 175, and then goes to HW and beats a prime Ruiz. You're tripping. You list is horrible too. Get you ABCs straight.

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            • Silencers
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              #46
              Lineal championships don't mean everything. I have no problem with people ranking Jones in front of Mayweather, the man ruled the sport in the 90s and for a third of the 2000s, ranked pound for pound number 1 for almost 10 years, fighter of the decade in the 90s, first fighter in a 100 years to win titles at middleweight and at heavyweight, first fighter in a 100 years to win a heavyweight title and move back down to light heavyweight to win a title. I believe he held 6 titles in 4 different weight classes. The lack of lineal titles should not hold him back.

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              • Scott9945
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                #47
                Originally posted by Silencers
                Then you have guys like Derrick Harmon and Del Valle at 'C' while having Glenn Kelly at 'B'?
                You're right, that makes no sense. Del Valle was very underrated while Kelly was one of Roy's least talented opponents.

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                • illmatickid
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Ch@mpBox@PR
                  Fact is RJJ fought nothing but bums in his prime and was never the lineal champ of a division.

                  Floyd in the other hand is a 2 division lineal champ, with a better overall resume than Jones.

                  Floyd>>>>>>>>>>>Roy
                  Fighter of the decade for 1990's?
                  8 time world champion in 4 different weight classes.
                  first boxer in a CENTURY to capture both the middleweight and the heavyweight belt in a single career
                  Vinny Pazienza was not a bum, although he wasnt prime when roy got to him, it wouldnt have made much difference.
                  Virgill hill is a bum? wasn't he ruling the lightheavyweight division before roy came along?
                  Montell Griffin is not a bum
                  James Toney, Bernard Hopkins obviously are not bums..lol
                  Mike Mccalum wasn't a bum, yes that wasnt a prime mccalum but it wasn't roy's fault that mccalum was past it by the time he got to him, would it have really made a difference? prolly not roy still woulda beat him
                  lou del valle was a legitimate challenge Derrick Harmon also.
                  Clinton Woods? who later on became the light heavyweight champion
                  John Ruiz, wasn't the greatest heavyweight around but roy moved up 30 pounds in weight and totally dominated

                  i know its easy to forget that stuff, given what happened later in his career.. but come on man I'm a floyd fan too but he isnt yet greater than roy, if he wins against mosley, pacquiao...then for sure it wont be hard to put him above roy

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                  • Sweet Jesus
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Ch@mpBox@PR
                    Jack ass says wut?

                    Lets compare resumes

                    Floyd Mayweather


                    Wins
                    A
                    Castillo x2
                    Corrales
                    De La Hoya
                    Hatton
                    Hernandez

                    B

                    Judah
                    Baldomir
                    Chavez
                    Corley
                    N'Dou
                    Gerena
                    Sosa
                    Hernandez

                    C

                    JMM (Too much of a size adavantage)
                    Gatti
                    Mitchell
                    Augustus
                    Manfredy
                    Pep

                    Accomplishment

                    6 time world Champ in 5 divisions(130WBC, 135WBC, 140WBC, 147WBC/IBF, 154BC)

                    2 Division Lineal Champ(135, 147)


                    Roy Jones Jr.

                    Wins
                    A

                    Toney
                    Hopkins
                    Tarver

                    B
                    Ruiz
                    Gonzalez
                    Hill
                    Johnson
                    Harding
                    Grant
                    Kelly
                    Woods

                    C
                    Pazienza
                    Lacy
                    Griffith
                    Harmon
                    Del Valle

                    Accomplishments

                    7 Time World Champ in 4 Divisions(160IBF, 168IBF, 175WBC/IBF/WBA, HW-WBA)

                    No lineal championships!!
                    Mayweather A:
                    G. Hernandez
                    D. Corrales
                    J. Luis Castillo (2x)
                    Oscar De La Hoya
                    Ricky Hatton

                    Mayweather B:
                    Carlos Hernandez
                    Jesus Chavez
                    DeMarcus Corley
                    Arturo Gatti
                    Zab Judah
                    Juan Manuel Marquez

                    Mayweather C:
                    Angel Manfredy
                    Emmanuel Augustus/Burton
                    Gregorio Vargas
                    Phillip N'Dou
                    Sharmba Mitchell
                    Carlos Baldomir

                    Shane Mosley would be an A victory.

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                    • Khalid X
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                      #50
                      Great list and right on the money. Also some people are slow because jrose said since "1990". Sweet p was great in the late 80's but by the mid 90's he had declined tremedously. Same with Tyson and by taken this into consideration both Tyson and sweet p had about 5 years (from 1990 till they went downhill) to make a claim.

                      Roy on the other hand had 12 years during that time and the fact that he unanomously won fighter of the 90's and him winning a hw belt solidified he spot as best AA fighter from 1990. B-hop is over Floyd and others because of his 20 mw defense, becoming the undisputed MW champ and being the most consistanly good boxer in the last 20 years(basically he was a top tier fighter every year from 93-2010)

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