My hang-ups about Khan-Marquez

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  • PittyPat
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    My hang-ups about Khan-Marquez

    OK, even as a Khan fan since his pro debut, I have several major problems with the rationale behind this fight. In fact, I think it flat-out stinks (not the fight itself; it'll likely be great, but the circumstances surrounding it are not). Lemme list them out, it's easier that way...

    1. Although Marquez is a bigger name, he got trounced in his last fight. Maidana, despite not having name value, is coming off a huge win over Ortiz. In the context of 140, I see it as totally illogical that Marquez is somehow automatically elevated to a position above Maidana just because of his standing. For TV it works, but for real fans the notion should be a travesty.

    2. Maidana is a natural LWW, whereas Marquez is considered the best at 135 - a division in which he's struggled over the course of 2 consecutive fights to look amazing. Plus, he has spent the majority of his 17-year career at 126! Now that's what I call a genuine case of being a 'blown-up featherweight'.

    3. They say fighting Marquez will give Khan more exposure in the States, but that's a really lame argument. Yes, it'll get him noticed, but it's the wrong way to go about it. Everyone's main complaint about Khan's title shot against Kotelnik was that he hadn't earned the right to challenge for it (I fully agree), and we're seeing a similar situation here.

    By fighting Maidana, Khan would be going the right way about it - defending his title against a young, high-risk mandatory in his natural weight class and building up his name in the States gradually by beating all challengers. Instead, however, he'll be fighting a more well-known but much older fighter who isn't in his natural weight class.

    4. Upon losing to Mayweather, Marquez was at 144 and looked crap outside of his normal weight class. As stated above, against Khan he'll have to come in at 140 - still outside of his normal weight class - and like we all know, he's looked a bit crap even at 135. Meanwhile, Maidana has been consistently comfortable at 140, and has even touched the realms of WW and LMW on a few occasions.

    So let's summarise this - Khan is on the verge of dropping a world title and ducking a dangerous mandatory just to fight a blown-up FW who lost his last fight. Will I give Khan credit for beating him? Not much. At least Mayweather had the tune-up excuse, but Khan has absolutely none. He's in prime form and shouldn't be fighting older men who have no claim to a title outside of their weight class (i.e. Barrera), just for the sake of resume or name value. How could he possibly be proud of beating the recent "undisputed lightweight champion"? It's pathetic.

    Would I give Marquez credit for beating Khan? Haha, for sure! He will have dusted off a bigger man, the UK's biggest name, and overcome significant odds against him. I'll actually laugh ****less if this happens, because GBP's big plans will have gone up in smoke yet again (i.e. Ortiz, Linares), and it'll serve them all right for ducking Maidana.

    Anyway, fuck this ****. I'll download it the next day.
    Last edited by PittyPat; 02-03-2010, 04:33 AM.
  • ma51f
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    JMM would be Khan toughest fight in his career.

    i think it would be a great fight! So long as he fights Maidanna after JMM ive no probs with it.

    i would rather see Maidanna first and then JMM but i'm not complaining

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    • Dynamite Kid
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      #3
      Roach is picking the styles he can beat, which is something he accused Mayweather of doing.

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      • BritishBoxing92
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        #4
        good thread and post

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        • PittyPat
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          #5
          Originally posted by ma51f
          JMM would be Khan toughest fight in his career.
          Sure, but Maidana poses a more realistic and evenly-matched challenge.

          Originally posted by ma51f
          i think it would be a great fight!
          I've never seen a boring Khan fight, so I have no doubt about that.

          Originally posted by ma51f
          So long as he fights Maidanna after JMM ive no probs with it.

          i would rather see Maidanna first and then JMM but i'm not complaining
          But it's so incredibly ******. If he wants Marquez so bad, he should fight him after his mandatory defence instead of dropping the belt for it! It basically makes his Kotelnik and Salita fights look even more worthless than they are already.

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          • ma51f
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            #6
            Originally posted by Dynamite Kid
            Roach is picking the styles he can beat, which is something he accused Mayweather of doing.
            every boxer is carefully matched at a young age.....

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            • ma51f
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              #7
              Originally posted by PittyPat
              Sure, but Maidana poses a more realistic and evenly-matched challenge.



              I've never seen a boring Khan fight, so I have no doubt about that.



              But it's so incredibly ******. If he wants Marquez so bad, he should fight him after his mandatory defence instead of dropping the belt for it! It basically makes his Kotelnik and Salita fights look even more worthless than they are already.
              i do agree, no doubt about it, he should fight Maidanna before JMM but we all know boxing does not work like that.


              I doubt Khan will give up his belt, im sure an agreement will be in place where Khan gets to keep his belt only if he agree's to fight Maidanna next...or something like that. i think his next 3 fights are gonig to be huge!

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              • J.R
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                Very true words spoken there PittyPat, only i would give Khan a little credit, if he were to win, yet i think he is mad giving up his belt, just for the aske of one more fight without Maidana.

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                • The_Demon
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                  #9
                  yep we all wanted to see khan-maidana

                  but this is boxing and these things happen,very often of late,may aswell enjoy the fight for what it is

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                  • John Hue
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                    PittyPat, Great post and spot on and honest. It is good to see a Khan fan that does not feel obliged to believe all the lies ,spin and bull**** mantras that come out of Team Khan and then repeat them. For some reason a lot of Khan fans choose to turn a blind eye to Amir's shortcomings and justify the ducks and his fast track easy path to a title and beyond reinventing his career and expecting others to believe them when the evidence clearly says otherwise. I don't see that a prerequisite of being a fan is being a fool and blind to the bull****. You can be a fan and also see it as it is.
                    Devon Alexander is behaving much more like a real champion and he is younger than Khan but is not getting the same kind of recognition. I have no problem with Khan fighting Marquez but he should get his mandatory obligations out of the way first,he has had an easy well navigated path from his loss to Prescott to the title and first mandatory and it is about time he had one real fight. Even then I feel Khan has all the tools to outbox Maidana.All this crap about Maidana not being well known enough for his US debut is pure sidetracking bull****. We are being suckered into his self imposed agenda about wanting to make a name for himself in the States NOW and that Maidana is not the right opponent. Khan is champion if he does not feel Maidana is the right start for him in the States fight him in the UK and when the mandatory is out of the way pick an opponent for "HIS" show case debut in the States.
                    The Salita fight was over in a blink ,it did not take a lot out of him. There is no reason why he could not fight Maidana in March then Marquez or whoever in June or July in the States . That would be 1 or 2 months after his proposed US debut in May. When you look at it like this it is plainly obvious Khan is ducking Maidana. In the UK Khan has a lot of gullible fans but his career tactics in the States is not going to work. They will take foreign fighters on board if they are real fighters but they have to prove themselves first. By ducking Maidana Khan is showing them that he is a protected fighter.He is a champion now it is about time he started behaving like one but we the public are spun two lines he is a champion when it suits Team Khan but a young prospect when it is time to bail out.
                    The Marquez fight is not an easy fight but I feel for him to extract the maximum credibility from a win he needs to deal with Maidana first otherwise it looks like a cherry picked opponent. When they get in the ring the size disparity is going to be very noticable. By not fighting Maidana he is undermining his credibility.
                    Last edited by John Hue; 02-02-2010, 08:38 PM.

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