Pac Fight: Excuses and Answers

[Bahamut Zero]

Just sharing a nice read. I hope this piece shuts up some mouths here in BS!

Manny Pacquiao, an Overrated Cherry-Picker? Think Again...
by Lorne Scoggins
Written on January 29, 2010

It is impossible for a human being to be completely devoid of opinion.
Every person who knows anything about today’s boxing world has an opinion of Manny Pacquiao, and everyone seems to be eager to share it.

While the majority of fans agree that Pacquiao has earned his place as one of the greats in boxing history, a growing number of critics have a lot to say to the contrary.

Critics continue to throw jabs, hooks, and haymakers in their attempts to discredit Manny Pacquiao. Most punches are off target--catching nothing but air. Each jab can be countered with real fact.

Here are the most popular statements that have been circulated in attempts to nullify Pacquiao’s achievements:

“He can’t be one of the greatest. He’s been knocked out before.”
Even Joe Louis was KOd by Max Schmeling.
Joe Frazier was TKOd by Ali.

“Marco Antonio Barrera was past his prime.”
He was 29 when Manny TKOd him in their first meeting.

“Juan Manuel Marquez really beat Pacquiao in both fights.”
Wrong. The two battles that were fought between these great warriors resulted in one draw and one split decision win for Pacquiao. Pacquiao actually sent Marquez to the mats four times in two fights.

“Erik Morales was shop-worn and past his prime.”
Morales were 29 and 30 years old when he was respectively TKOd and KOd by Pacquiao. Pacquiao is 31 with more fights under his belt than Morales, yet he is still considered to be in his prime.

“Oscar De La Hoya was old and weight-drained.”
De La Hoya was only one year older and 8 lbs lighter than when he fought Floyd Mayweather Jr. and gave him the toughest fight of his career. It was the only fight that Mayweather failed to win by KO, TKO, or unanimous decision.

“Ricky Hatton was overrated.”
Hatton had an outstanding record of 45 wins and one loss at the time he fought Pacquiao. He was undefeated as a light welterweight, and his only loss had been to Mayweather in a welter weight bout. It took Mayweather 10 rounds to finish him. Manny did it in two.

“Cotto was damaged goods.”
After the beating that Cotto suffered at the allegedly loaded hands of Antonio Margarito, Cotto went on to TKO Michael Jennings, who held a record of 34-1. In his next bout he reigned victorious in a brutal war against Joshua Clottey (35-2) despite suffering a severe cut over his left eye due to an incidental headbutt in round three.

“Pacquiao is on steroids, or some other form of performance enhancing drugs, and that’s why he’s been able to gain so much lean weight while retaining his power.”
This accusation is totally baseless. There is no evidence that Pacquiao has ever used any form of illegal PEDs. In fact, his actual fighting weight has changed very little over the past three years.

11/18/2006
Pacquiao-Morales 3: Official weigh-in: 129- Fight night: 144
10/06/2007
Pacquiao-Barrera 2: Official weigh-in: 130- Fight night: 144
06/15/2008
Pacquiao-Marquez 2: Official weigh-in: 130- Fight night: 145
06/28/2008
Pacquiao-Diaz: Official weigh-in: 135- Fight night: 147
12/06/2008:
Pacquiao- De La Hoya: Official weigh-in: 142- Fight night: 148
05/02/2009:
Pacquiao-Hatton: Official weigh-in: 138- Fight night: 148
11/14/2009:
Pacquiao-Cotto: Official weigh-in: 144- Fight night: unknown

“Pacquiao is on A-side meth.”
I have no facts on this because I have no idea what A-side meth actually is—or if it even exists.

I was recently told by a particular critic that there are only a few sources that cover boxing with unbiased credibility. The rest are fan sites and blogs.
The intended point was that the sites who praise Pacquiao are not credible.
I found that interesting.

Upon doing a great deal of research I also found it interesting that all of the unbiased, credible boxing sources that were named by this critic have bestowed honors upon Manny Pacquiao, including:

2006, 2008 and 2009 The Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year
2006 and 2008 Boxing Writers Association of America Fighter of the Year
2006 and 2008 SecondsOut.com Fighter of the Year
2008 and 2009 The Ring Magazine No. 1 Pound For Pound (year-end)
Five-Time PSA Sportsman of the Year
2000-09 Philippine Sportswriters Association Athlete of the Decade
2008 University Athletic Association of the Philippines (UAAP) Honorary Award for Sports Excellence
2008 and 2009 BoxingScene.com Fighter of the Year
2008 Sports Illustrated Boxer of the Year
2008 and 2009 TheSweetScience.com Boxer of the Year
2008 WBC Boxer of the Year
2008 Yahoo Sports Fighter of the Year
2008 and 2009 ESPN Star's Champion of Champions
2009 ESPN Fighter of the Year
2009 ESPN Knockout of the Year
2009 ESPY Awards Best Fighter
2009 TIME 100 Most Influential People (Heroes & Icons Category)
2009 TIME Magazine cover for November issue
2009 Forbes Magazine Celebrity 100 (ranked 57th)
2009 HBO Fighter of the Decade
2009 The SweetScience.com Fighter of the Decade
2009 Sports Illustrated Fighter of the Year
2009 The Ring Magazine Knockout of the Year
2009 World's Greatest Ever Featherweight
2009 World's Greatest Ever (ranked second)

To the hysterical and very loud minority who think Pacquiao is an overrated cherry-picker: You have every right to your opinion, but facts are facts.

[ernes]

all i can say is that..

"everyone has its own reason and tend to pull each other down.."

[MrEvol]

thanks for sharing..

[Anti~Jalandoni]

i loved that

[imscythe]

Truth right there.

[Bahamut Zero]

Good thing this thread wasn't stomped at yet by BS AntiPacs lol!

[Eaner0919]

“He can’t be one of the greatest. He’s been knocked out before.”
Even Joe Louis was KOd by Max Schmeling.
Joe Frazier was TKOd by Ali.

agreed that is a silly point to bring up

“Marco Antonio Barrera was past his prime.”
He was 29 when Manny TKOd him in their first meeting.

I think it has long been established that age means nothing. What the "writer" also fails to mention is that Barrera was 60 fights into his career with wars having been fought already with Morales (2xs) McKinney and Jones.

“Juan Manuel Marquez really beat Pacquiao in both fights.”
Wrong. The two battles that were fought between these great warriors resulted in one draw and one split decision win for Pacquiao. Pacquiao actually sent Marquez to the mats four times in two fights.

and yes while the scoreboards show Manny as 1-0-1 against JMM what the "writer" fails to mention is that JMM arguably has the majority of the rounds in the 24 they have fought.

“Erik Morales was shop-worn and past his prime.”
Morales were 29 and 30 years old when he was respectively TKOd and KOd by Pacquiao. Pacquiao is 31 with more fights under his belt than Morales, yet he is still considered to be in his prime.

um like Barrera Morales had already been in quite a few wars prior to facing Manny.

and if the "writer" really wants to use numbers as his basis for this article here is one about Morales

he finished his career 1-5

“Oscar De La Hoya was old and weight-drained.”
De La Hoya was only one year older and 8 lbs lighter than when he fought Floyd Mayweather Jr. and gave him the toughest fight of his career. It was the only fight that Mayweather failed to win by KO, TKO, or unanimous decision.

this one is dumb TOTALLY dumb

what the "writer" fails to mention is that the last time Oscar weighed 147....was in 2001...7 years and change.

and I find it humorous that he calls the Mayweather fight the toughest of his career, again using the numbers thing, when MOST think the JLC fight was his toughest

“Ricky Hatton was overrated.”
Hatton had an outstanding record of 45 wins and one loss at the time he fought Pacquiao. He was undefeated as a light welterweight, and his only loss had been to Mayweather in a welter weight bout. It took Mayweather 10 rounds to finish him. Manny did it in two.

see this is where numbers fail to tell the entire story.

people see this as Mayweather making Hatton move up to fight him when Hatton himself chose to move up and not for the Mayweather fight. He said he wanted to campaign at 147.

and also NO ONE claims Mayweather as a puncher, quite the opposite. Yet he stopped a fighter who had never been stopped and had only been down once in his career.

food for thought

“Cotto was damaged goods.”
After the beating that Cotto suffered at the allegedly loaded hands of Antonio Margarito, Cotto went on to TKO Michael Jennings, who held a record of 34-1. In his next bout he reigned victorious in a brutal war against Joshua Clottey (35-2) despite suffering a severe cut over his left eye due to an incidental headbutt in round three.

really? 34-1 Michael Jennings? bwahahahahahahaha comedy

and correct me if I am wrong but didn't the Clottey fight be judged as one that could have gone either way?

“Pacquiao is on steroids, or some other form of performance enhancing drugs, and that’s why he’s been able to gain so much lean weight while retaining his power.”
This accusation is totally baseless. There is no evidence that Pacquiao has ever used any form of illegal PEDs. In fact, his actual fighting weight has changed very little over the past three years.

agreed it's baseless......and yet is it?

11/18/2006
Pacquiao-Morales 3: Official weigh-in: 129- Fight night: 144
10/06/2007
Pacquiao-Barrera 2: Official weigh-in: 130- Fight night: 144
06/15/2008
Pacquiao-Marquez 2: Official weigh-in: 130- Fight night: 145
06/28/2008
Pacquiao-Diaz: Official weigh-in: 135- Fight night: 147
12/06/2008:
Pacquiao- De La Hoya: Official weigh-in: 142- Fight night: 148
05/02/2009:
Pacquiao-Hatton: Official weigh-in: 138- Fight night: 148
11/14/2009:
Pacquiao-Cotto: Official weigh-in: 144- Fight night: unknown

here is something that the "writer" didn't put into this

the year that Ariza arrived is the year Manny ascends up the weight scale. Also, both Ariza and Teri Tom have been on record as saying that Manny

1. has to eat a high caloric diet to keep weight on
2. is the same body fat as he was at 130

so if thats the case then couldn't it be fair to assume the 130lb Manny is a vastly different version of the 144lb Manny?

I mean if what his own nutritionists and conditioners say is true (and most Manny fans believe Ariza sight unseen) then his body has indeed changed from one that had to drain down in weight to one that has a hard time keeping weight on

“Pacquiao is on A-side meth.”
I have no facts on this because I have no idea what A-side meth actually is—or if it even exists.

totally ****** and basless agreed

I was recently told by a particular critic that there are only a few sources that cover boxing with unbiased credibility. The rest are fan sites and blogs.

everyone is biased dont front

The intended point was that the sites who praise Pacquiao are not credible.
I found that interesting.

well Marley and Ronnie are known Manny and Arum homies so that isnt too baseless

To the hysterical and very loud minority who think Pacquiao is an overrated cherry-picker: You have every right to your opinion, but facts are facts.

well not always but nice try

[Bahamut Zero]

^LOL! Dude you can write your own article and counter the article that I have posted.

[Sloth-Alt]

That was kind of a ****ty article. While some of the ponts were sensible and obvious. A lot of them were purely based on the numbers game when they shouldn't have been used.

I give it a c- for effort.

Always remember to be Joyful.

[Imhotep]

Just sharing a nice read. I hope this piece shuts up some mouths here in BS!

Manny Pacquiao, an Overrated Cherry-Picker? Think Again...
by Lorne Scoggins
Written on January 29, 2010

It is impossible for a human being to be completely devoid of opinion.
Every person who knows anything about today’s boxing world has an opinion of Manny Pacquiao, and everyone seems to be eager to share it.

While the majority of fans agree that Pacquiao has earned his place as one of the greats in boxing history, a growing number of critics have a lot to say to the contrary.

Critics continue to throw jabs, hooks, and haymakers in their attempts to discredit Manny Pacquiao. Most punches are off target--catching nothing but air. Each jab can be countered with real fact.

Here are the most popular statements that have been circulated in attempts to nullify Pacquiao’s achievements:

“He can’t be one of the greatest. He’s been knocked out before.”
Even Joe Louis was KOd by Max Schmeling.
Joe Frazier was TKOd by Ali.

“Marco Antonio Barrera was past his prime.”
He was 29 when Manny TKOd him in their first meeting.

“Juan Manuel Marquez really beat Pacquiao in both fights.”
Wrong. The two battles that were fought between these great warriors resulted in one draw and one split decision win for Pacquiao. Pacquiao actually sent Marquez to the mats four times in two fights.

“Erik Morales was shop-worn and past his prime.”
Morales were 29 and 30 years old when he was respectively TKOd and KOd by Pacquiao. Pacquiao is 31 with more fights under his belt than Morales, yet he is still considered to be in his prime.

“Oscar De La Hoya was old and weight-drained.”
De La Hoya was only one year older and 8 lbs lighter than when he fought Floyd Mayweather Jr. and gave him the toughest fight of his career. It was the only fight that Mayweather failed to win by KO, TKO, or unanimous decision.

“Ricky Hatton was overrated.”
Hatton had an outstanding record of 45 wins and one loss at the time he fought Pacquiao. He was undefeated as a light welterweight, and his only loss had been to Mayweather in a welter weight bout. It took Mayweather 10 rounds to finish him. Manny did it in two.

“Cotto was damaged goods.”
After the beating that Cotto suffered at the allegedly loaded hands of Antonio Margarito, Cotto went on to TKO Michael Jennings, who held a record of 34-1. In his next bout he reigned victorious in a brutal war against Joshua Clottey (35-2) despite suffering a severe cut over his left eye due to an incidental headbutt in round three.

“Pacquiao is on steroids, or some other form of performance enhancing drugs, and that’s why he’s been able to gain so much lean weight while retaining his power.”
This accusation is totally baseless. There is no evidence that Pacquiao has ever used any form of illegal PEDs. In fact, his actual fighting weight has changed very little over the past three years.

11/18/2006
Pacquiao-Morales 3: Official weigh-in: 129- Fight night: 144
10/06/2007
Pacquiao-Barrera 2: Official weigh-in: 130- Fight night: 144
06/15/2008
Pacquiao-Marquez 2: Official weigh-in: 130- Fight night: 145
06/28/2008
Pacquiao-Diaz: Official weigh-in: 135- Fight night: 147
12/06/2008:
Pacquiao- De La Hoya: Official weigh-in: 142- Fight night: 148
05/02/2009:
Pacquiao-Hatton: Official weigh-in: 138- Fight night: 148
11/14/2009:
Pacquiao-Cotto: Official weigh-in: 144- Fight night: unknown

“Pacquiao is on A-side meth.”
I have no facts on this because I have no idea what A-side meth actually is—or if it even exists.

I was recently told by a particular critic that there are only a few sources that cover boxing with unbiased credibility. The rest are fan sites and blogs.
The intended point was that the sites who praise Pacquiao are not credible.
I found that interesting.

Upon doing a great deal of research I also found it interesting that all of the unbiased, credible boxing sources that were named by this critic have bestowed honors upon Manny Pacquiao, including:

2006, 2008 and 2009 The Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year
2006 and 2008 Boxing Writers Association of America Fighter of the Year
2006 and 2008 SecondsOut.com Fighter of the Year
2008 and 2009 The Ring Magazine No. 1 Pound For Pound (year-end)
Five-Time PSA Sportsman of the Year
2000-09 Philippine Sportswriters Association Athlete of the Decade
2008 University Athletic Association of the Philippines (UAAP) Honorary Award for Sports Excellence
2008 and 2009 BoxingScene.com Fighter of the Year
2008 Sports Illustrated Boxer of the Year
2008 and 2009 TheSweetScience.com Boxer of the Year
2008 WBC Boxer of the Year
2008 Yahoo Sports Fighter of the Year
2008 and 2009 ESPN Star's Champion of Champions
2009 ESPN Fighter of the Year
2009 ESPN Knockout of the Year
2009 ESPY Awards Best Fighter
2009 TIME 100 Most Influential People (Heroes & Icons Category)
2009 TIME Magazine cover for November issue
2009 Forbes Magazine Celebrity 100 (ranked 57th)
2009 HBO Fighter of the Decade
2009 The SweetScience.com Fighter of the Decade
2009 Sports Illustrated Fighter of the Year
2009 The Ring Magazine Knockout of the Year
2009 World's Greatest Ever Featherweight
2009 World's Greatest Ever (ranked second)

To the hysterical and very loud minority who think Pacquiao is an overrated cherry-picker: You have every right to your opinion, but facts are facts.

This Article is written by a a*******,What do you expect a ******* to Say "Pac should hang himself".

This article have ***** drinking wirtten all over it.And its obvious Pac is on roids.