"Boxing is a sport", "no, its not, boxing is a business"

[Eaner0919]

It is to me. Always has been, always will be unless I have a vested interest.

um you have a vested interested in it though if you have ever paid for a game, bought merchandise to support it, gone to a bar to watch it etc etc

you support a sport by assisting in their revenue whether it be directly or not

you seemingly are stuck away from that concept

But as I told you before,

I understand these are sports with a business side just as everything has a business side. Doesn't mean we go to a fine restaurant to talk about how much money the place or head chef is making. We go to enjoy a well prepared meal. When we go watch a movie, we don't watch thinking about how much money each actor made, we're interested in the story being told. When we go to Disneyland, we don't worry about the operations side of it, we go to enjoy the rides and themes.

dude you keep making these analogies. why when you can go straight to the source and talk about whether boxing is indeed a business.

but see even in this anlogy the restaurant theory has holes because if you go that establishment then you are indeed participating in the business aspect by supporting it with your patronage.

and you show your lack of support or satisfaction with their business by not going

either way you are part of the business aspect of their livelyhood

movies- we may not be concerned about what actors make but we are indeed concerned by the quality of the CGI in a movie or the authenticity of a movie by shooting at actual locations don't we?

Business is in everything, we get that. But it doesn't mean everything we enjoy has to be about the business side of it. I don't watch boxing because of the money it generates. I don't watch movies because of the money they generate. I don't eat at restaurants because I care about how much they're making in revenue in one night. We do what we do for entertainment, because we enjoy what it is about that particular thing, not the dollars made at the end of the night.

again find me someone, anyone, that said they enjoy the sport for it's business

you fail to understand that and sorry but that's on you

NO ONE here is saying that the business side is what they like about the sport

in fact its probably the worst part of the sport

however, it's there and refusing to believe in that is what drives posters like you to threads like this

Everything is a business, even the school our kids go to. Drinking water is a business, taking a **** and flushing it down the toilet is a business.

so they why are you arguing about this? LOL

Excuse me if I don't watch boxing for its business side. As a paying fan though, I am participating in this business and I have every right to criticize fighters when they are using "Boxing is a business" as an excuse to not make the best possible matchups.

lol find someone who watches this for the business side

go ahead

I will wait

Is this a business?







Technically we can say it is. Uniforms have to be bought, fields have to be paid for, etc. But, in reality, its a game for the kids to play.

sure it is you just answered your own question

But check this, when you open up a newspaper, and look to see the results of last nights professional game,

what section do you find the story under?

"Sports", or "Business"?

um.....the business side of sports is in the SPORTS page all the time or do you ignore that?

you cannot simply remove that aspect because you want to. If you ignore fine then quite simply do not talk about it...but it's there

the best way I can sum this up for you

MOST people realize that in this sport, business drives the creation of fights we want to see. Without the business aspect we are reduced to watching fights in the streets or backyards.

[istmeno]

boxing is a sport first with a business side. but what some of us fail to realize when we complain about the fights we want to see not getting made, is the fact that we as fans are truly the ones in control. if a fighter is not making the best fight for the fans, we need to let them know by not buying the ppv or supporting it in any way. all you need is for one or two overly hyped ppv fail they will definitely get the message. but as long as we conform, and just give in this bull **** will continue.

i agree that fighters at the top level deserve everthing they get, but for me the top level is achieved through accomplishments, not having a good promotional team who fabricates a good record without actually facing stiff competition.

sometimes that fighter with 2 or 3 losses is better than that undefeated fighter with the big time promoter,but he will never get a chance to prove it because he is a threat to the earning potential. that imo hurts the sport. and many fans fall for it. true boxing fans want their favorite fighter to face the toughest challenges and continue to provr he is the best, rather than speculate.

the cream always rises to the top.

[Vasyl’s dad]

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um you have a vested interested in it though if you have ever paid for a game, bought merchandise to support it, gone to a bar to watch it etc etc

you support a sport by assisting in their revenue whether it be directly or not

you seemingly are stuck away from that concept




dude you keep making these analogies. why when you can go straight to the source and talk about whether boxing is indeed a business.

but see even in this anlogy the restaurant theory has holes because if you go that establishment then you are indeed participating in the business aspect by supporting it with your patronage.

and you show your lack of support or satisfaction with their business by not going

either way you are part of the business aspect of their livelyhood

movies- we may not be concerned about what actors make but we are indeed concerned by the quality of the CGI in a movie or the authenticity of a movie by shooting at actual locations don't we?




again find me someone, anyone, that said they enjoy the sport for it's business

you fail to understand that and sorry but that's on you

NO ONE here is saying that the business side is what they like about the sport

in fact its probably the worst part of the sport

however, it's there and refusing to believe in that is what drives posters like you to threads like this




so they why are you arguing about this? LOL



lol find someone who watches this for the business side

go ahead

I will wait




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um.....the business side of sports is in the SPORTS page all the time or do you ignore that?

you cannot simply remove that aspect because you want to. If you ignore fine then quite simply do not talk about it...but it's there

the best way I can sum this up for you

MOST people realize that in this sport, business drives the creation of fights we want to see. Without the business aspect we are reduced to watching fights in the streets or backyards.

No, I'm not stuck in getting or understanding that concept. I get it fully.
You're totally not getting it.


When I say "vested interest", I'm saying I have no care at all as to how much money it makes. Of course with my money, I'm paying for the product, but that doesn't mean I give a **** about whether or not the business itself is successful outside of my patronage. I go to that particular restaurant because, now get this,

I like the food. Me paying for that food doesn't mean I care about the revenue collected at the end of the night.

Me paying for a game doesn't mean I care about how successful the business is outside of my dollars spent. It means I'm paying for the game, because I like it.

Of course by me being a paying customer for a good or service means I am a part of it, but it doesn't mean I care about it.

How hard is that to understand?

You being here on this website, does that mean you care about the owners family and needs if you don't know him personally?

No, it simply means you're here because you like his product in one capacity or another.

NO ONE here is saying that the business side is what they like about the sport

Dios Dominicano and his alts would disagree with you. People who talk about PPVs and numbers would disagree with you.


and once again, I have not said I refuse to believe there is a business aspect to boxing. I have clearly said in my posts, and with the poll, "boxing is a sport with a business side".


Its clear you don't even understand the point of this thread. It was meant to show how people can and will change their view on this topic depending on what the theme of the topic is.


When it comes to justifying why certain fights don't get made, "boxing is a business".
When it comes to "appreciating boxers not warriors", suddenly, "boxing is a sport".




and once again, again,

when you want to read about sports in the newspaper,

what section do you go to?

Its not a hard question to answer.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Tortillawarrior, I think you're just frustrated, as we all are, about the fact that the best fights don't always get made when we want them to be made. That's when cold, harsh reality comes into play. We're frequently reminded that the guys involved in professional sports are in it primarily for the money. If it just so happens that the product is of a high quality, all the better. But, make no mistake, it's really about the Bennies for these guys.

No one says you have to think about the business aspect of anything you buy or enjoy. That's not your role. Your role is to consume; the vendor's role is to make money from your enjoyment/satisfaction. If you don't like what you're being sold, shop elsewhere (as some people have with UFC) or don't buy at all.

Thats really not what this thread is about.


Its about people who change their stance depending on the theme.

Theme A: "so and so won't and doesn't need to fight so and so because he doesn't have a fanbase, boxing is a business".

Theme B: "I appreciate fighters who are more technical in their approach, boxing is a sport, not a tough man contest".

[CubanGuyNYC]

boxing is a sport first with a business side. but what some of us fail to realize when we complain about the fights we want to see not getting made, is the fact that we as fans are truly the ones in control. if a fighter is not making the best fight for the fans, we need to let them know by not buying the ppv or supporting it in any way. all you need is for one or two overly hyped ppv fail they will definitely get the message. but as long as we conform, and just give in this bull **** will continue.

i agree that fighters at the top level deserve everthing they get, but for me the top level is achieved through accomplishments, not having a good promotional team who fabricates a good record without actually facing stiff competition.

sometimes that fighter with 2 or 3 losses is better than that undefeated fighter with the big time promoter,but he will never get a chance to prove it because he is a threat to the earning potential. that imo hurts the sport. and many fans fall for it. true boxing fans want their favorite fighter to face the toughest challenges and continue to provr he is the best, rather than speculate.

the cream always rises to the top.

Like I've said many times: Speak with your wallet. Part of the problem is that there are way too many people out there who pay for every garbage PPV that comes down the pipe. They're like dope fiends!

Let's take this Pacquiao-Clottey fight, for example. I'm not paying for that match-up. I like Manny, and Clottey is a worthy opponent. It'll probably be a good fight. But there's no way I'm paying for it! I'll read about it and catch the fight later for free. The fight I want to see is Pac-Mayweather. This other, lesser fight is like walking into a restaurant and having the waiter tell you, "Sorry, sir, we're all out of steak, but there's plenty of hamburger...." Now, I like a good burger, but it ain't steak. "See you when you get a shipment of steaks, pal."

[Dan...]

I don't get it.

Why can't someone say that they like a certain style of fighter because of an appreciation for the technical skill and science of the sport and then point to the business aspect of the sport as to why a certain fight is not being made?

Is that essentially what you are complaining about or have I misinterpreted?

[Thread Stealer]

it used to be a "sport"....they used to fight and satisfy the fans. Today? its all about money.

Boxing is both a business and sport, and always has been.

It's not something that suddenly has become all about money, it's always been that way for "the powers that be".

[VatoMulatto]

Boxers are prizefighters so of course boxing is big business, but Any sport where you can make millions of dollars becomes a business.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Thats really not what this thread is about.


Its about people who change their stance depending on the theme.

Theme A: "so and so won't and doesn't need to fight so and so because he doesn't have a fanbase, boxing is a business".

Theme B: "I appreciate fighters who are more technical in their approach, boxing is a sport, not a tough man contest".

Okay, then I guess I've misunderstood your point. But, since boxing has many facets, one point can be valid in one case and another in a different case. I don't think there's any avoiding that. Every situation must be taken on a case by case basis. There's no doubt, however, that people will often try to get cute when they're trying to defend their position/fighter. That's when the BS meter starts to screech.

[El Jesus]

lol @ the idea of Tommy Burns and Jim Jefferies along with John L Sullivan who thought of it as just simply a "sport".

TortillaWarrior, look up the old school term "sport" from the early 1900's and how that term was treated. If anything, a fighter you hate so much, Floyd Mayweather Jr ACTUALLY RESEMBLES champions of the past with his flamboyant spending and extravagant lifestyle, you throw in WWE, its the same as the travelling shows of dancing and shadowboxing that boxers used to participate to make side money.

Again, youre lack of understanding of the history of this sport is what hinders you from having an understanding what this sport is about. No matter how many times people tell you the deal, you ignorantly drum up false analogies and terrible arguments bent on pushing youre misguided opinions on others.