Manny Pacquiao and the “Something to Hide” Fallacy

Collapse
Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • rocky_balboa23
    Undisputed Champion
    Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
    • Apr 2009
    • 2017
    • 236
    • 226
    • 12,169

    #1

    Manny Pacquiao and the “Something to Hide” Fallacy

    By Steve Lewis:

    We still hear it, and once again, Roger Mayweather has gone on the air and lost more credibility when he told the folks at the Boxing Truth Radio Show that Manny Pacquiao was on “A-side meth,” a drug that apparently makes people literally bulletproof, according to the genius that is Roger Mayweather.


    And Roger’s often-repeated mantra, which a lot of Pacquiao detractors have bought into, was: If you have nothing to hide, why not take the test?
    So that has apparently become the lazy and easy $40M question. And the Pacquiao detractors will say it again. “Manny must have something to hide if he’s willing to blow off $40M due to a simple blood test.”

    The fallacy in that thought is that there is nothing to hide. People think if the blood test would be taken, Pacquiao would be caught red-handed. But as these same detractors would argue, you are not going to catch anything because a person can conceivably flush out and cycle off the drugs out of the system within a couple of days.

    What they probably meant was that Pacquiao does not want to take the Olympic-style drug testing because he won’t be able to shoot up any PEDs during the upcoming training, not that he’s trying to hide something that’s currently in his system. So it is a misstatement to say and argue that Pacquiao has something to hide. It is more accurate to say that he does not want any nefarious plans of his being foiled (future tense, folks, not present tense).


    But even then, to say that Pacquiao’s refusal to be blood-tested is because Olympic-style testing would prevent him from carrying out his plans of shooting up is ludicrous. Seriously, do you really think that someone who has built such a reputation in and out of the ring would still chance playing around with PEDs in light of the intense scrutiny and spotlight being placed on this blood testing issue? Pacquiao would be foolish to even attempt it, given the attention on this matter. It would be one thing is this was an up and coming hungry fighter with nothing to lose, who hasn’t yet received the fat paycheck. But this is Manny Pacquiao: well-documented humanitarian, aspiring politician, and among the most revered athletes in the world – one who is already well compensated and is not in financial straits. There is no need for Pacquiao to do so, particularly against Floyd Mayweather, who is not noted as being a power puncher. Resorting to PEDs to defend against Mayweather’s “pitty-pats” and “peck-and-run” tactics would be highly unnecessary.

    If there was any grain of truth to what Roger Mayweather and the rest of his cohorts are saying, you would see a whole lot more boxers from the Philippines taking advantage of this so-called “A-side meth.” Heck, Bobby Pacquiao would be in the top 10 pound-for-pound rankings if he could make himself “bulletproof” like brother Manny. Instead, he is relegated to just being “Manny’s brother.”
    Last edited by rocky_balboa23; 01-28-2010, 04:22 AM.
  • -The Glove-
    Banned
    Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
    • Dec 2009
    • 8008
    • 328
    • 76
    • 18,685

    #2
    Steve Lewis doesn't know **** about boxing! lol

    Comment

    • rocky_balboa23
      Undisputed Champion
      Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
      • Apr 2009
      • 2017
      • 236
      • 226
      • 12,169

      #3
      Originally posted by 2npac
      Steve Lewis doesn't know **** about boxing! lol

      at least he uses logic in his reasoning, unlike the so called experts "Atlas" who just throws accusations without proof.

      Comment

      • -The Glove-
        Banned
        Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
        • Dec 2009
        • 8008
        • 328
        • 76
        • 18,685

        #4
        I know. What he says in that article is what I've been saying from the beginning.

        Comment

        • Castor_Troy
          Interim Champion
          Gold Champion - 500-1,000 posts
          • Feb 2007
          • 724
          • 244
          • 316
          • 7,564

          #5
          and also if a few days is enough to flush it why refuse 14 days? Heck if im a user i'll accept it ang get away with it.



          He just doesnt like to let Floyd get what he wants. Its too fuc_king simple.

          Comment

          • shadeyfizzle
            Undisputed Champion
            Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
            • Feb 2008
            • 7448
            • 160
            • 43
            • 13,959

            #6
            Originally posted by Castor_Troy
            and also if a few days is enough to flush it why refuse 14 days? Heck if im a user i'll accept it ang get away with it.



            He just doesnt like to let Floyd get what he wants. Its too fuc_king simple.
            Not to mention they keep bitching about the cutoff date because pacquiao is going to shoot up something that cant be detected by urine tests and can only be picked up by blood testing.

            Well if urine testing for pacquiao is so useless then why have it in the clause at all?

            Comment

            • Bacatit
              Banned
              • Dec 2009
              • 1413
              • 88
              • 59
              • 1,631

              #7
              Originally posted by rocky_balboa23
              at least he uses logic in his reasoning, unlike the so called experts "Atlas" who just throws accusations without proof.
              Get over it you ****in loser. Most of our minds have been made up.

              Pac will always be a cheater in the minds of many and he will also be flawless in the eyes of others. This won't change, it's too late.

              I still would like to see Pac vs Money for obvious reasons but the whole fight has been tainted. I feel like if Pac does agree to test and loses he will be seen as guilty if he wins there will still be questions do to there being any discrepancy in the first place.

              Manny and his team have done too many interviews that they didn't seem to prepare for. Manny's team should have just said no comment and kept it moving. I could go on but you get my drift.

              On the other hand even if Floyd wins I'm sure Pac fans will say he ran the whole time unless he fight Pac's fight so there is no victory for us either.

              All n' all the fight has been ****ed.

              Comment

              • shadeyfizzle
                Undisputed Champion
                Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
                • Feb 2008
                • 7448
                • 160
                • 43
                • 13,959

                #8
                Originally posted by Bacatit
                Get over it you ****in loser. Most of our minds have been made up.

                Pac will always be a cheater in the minds of many and he will also be flawless in the eyes of others. This won't change, it's too late.

                I still would like to see Pac vs Money for obvious reasons but the whole fight has been tainted. I feel like if Pac does agree to test and loses he will be seen as guilty if he wins there will still be questions do to there being any discrepancy in the first place.

                Manny and his team have done too many interviews that they didn't seem to prepare for. Manny's team should have just said no comment and kept it moving. I could go on but you get my drift.

                On the other hand even if Floyd wins I'm sure Pac fans will say he ran the whole time unless he fight Pac's fight so there is no victory for us either.

                All n' all the fight has been ****ed.
                and yet you never stopped to think that could be the entire point in the first place??? To simply taint Pacquiao's credibility???

                Even if he had agreed to the tests and the fight still went on in march as planned those same doubts for the exact same reasons would still be there.

                Pacquiao tests clean and knocks floyd out he might not have been on something for this 1 fight but there's plenty of medical and scientific evidence that the benefits of steroids never leaves the user. *****s continue to imply pacquiao roided in the past.

                Pacquiao tests clean and loses to floyd it's either oh well i guess he's clean but told you *******s he wasnt **** in the 1st place or floyd beat a pacquiao who roided up in the past regardless.

                Comment

                • PAKYO
                  in the sandlands
                  Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 3805
                  • 116
                  • 73
                  • 10,212

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Bacatit
                  Get over it you ****in loser. Most of our minds have been made up.

                  Pac will always be a cheater in the minds of many and he will also be flawless in the eyes of others. This won't change, it's too late.

                  I still would like to see Pac vs Money for obvious reasons but the whole fight has been tainted. I feel like if Pac does agree to test and loses he will be seen as guilty if he wins there will still be questions do to there being any discrepancy in the first place.

                  Manny and his team have done too many interviews that they didn't seem to prepare for. Manny's team should have just said no comment and kept it moving. I could go on but you get my drift.

                  On the other hand even if Floyd wins I'm sure Pac fans will say he ran the whole time unless he fight Pac's fight so there is no victory for us either.

                  All n' all the fight has been ****ed.
                  Come on sucker, you're better off masturbating to floyd's videos with elle rubbing him.

                  All your assertion is simply to malign and **** ride the original misfit family who did this, not that i'm trying to defend Pac here. He has all the money he has to defend himself but reading from suckers like you parroting what the crackhead Mayweathers do simply signify you wanna suck floyd's **** too.

                  Comment

                  • ROSS CALIFORNIA
                    Tyson fan
                    Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 69864
                    • 997
                    • 1,956
                    • 113,453

                    #10
                    Those arguments are very weak. Yes Manny is in the spot light, but there is still a way to get passed the current system that does not include random testing all the way up to the fight. Thats why Manny wanted 24 whole days so he could use his PED's (if he uses them) for the very least amount of time he needs for them to be effective. 14 days obviously was not long enough time to use them and flush them out of his system. I don't care what no one says, its not only the detractors that believe Manny is hiding something. Explain the situation to people on the street that are not biased toward either fighter and they will say why walk away from 40 million dollars over a simple blood test two weeks before the fight. Thats all there is to it and anyone that can't see that is refusing to see the truth of the situation. Thats why we say you guys are infatuated with Manny because what he did was strait out su****ious and all the *******s are defending him and making excuses for him and refusing to see the situation for what it really is. Your minds wont allow you to realize that because the infatuation is just too strong. Wait till you're older men and Manny is out of your life, then you will see things much more clearly.

                    Comment

                    Working...
                    TOP