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  • ИATAS
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    #11
    Originally posted by -Rabbit Punch-
    Gamboa beats him at any weight but to say 4lbs makes no difference in any fight is not correct my friend. 4 lbs can make a huge difference. Especially when you cut to make weight. It can effect speed, stamina, and strength.
    yes for cutting weight. But if Mtagwa made 122.5 and gamboa makes 126 there is no difference there at all. That's not a factor.

    It's only a factor when cutting the weight, 4 pounds on fight night is nothing.

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      #12
      Originally posted by ИATAS206
      4 pounds makes no difference in a fight. None what so ever.

      Gamboa whooped him because that type of style is always going to be easy for an athletic & fast guy like gamboa.

      As for Lopez, it's a tough fight to predict. I just think Gamboa's speed will be the difference.
      Four pounds (in this case, 3.5) makes a difference, especially in the lighter categories. There's a reason for weight classes. I didn't get into any other factors because I thought the ones I brought up were enough. Gamboa would destroy Mtagwa under any reasonable circumstances, weight and style included.
      Last edited by CubanGuyNYC; 01-26-2010, 12:11 PM.

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        #13
        Originally posted by ИATAS206
        yes for cutting weight. But if Mtagwa made 122.5 and gamboa makes 126 there is no difference there at all. That's not a factor.

        It's only a factor when cutting the weight, 4 pounds on fight night is nothing.
        It just makes more of a difference if you're cutting weight. These guys are very lean, very muscular athletes. A pound or two might not matter, but I would argue that three or more is noticed both in the absorption and delivery of force.

        Without getting too much into it, Gamboa would have dispatched Mtagwa either way.
        Last edited by CubanGuyNYC; 01-26-2010, 12:13 PM.

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          #14
          Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC
          Four pounds (in this case, 3.5) makes a difference, especially in the lighter categories.

          There's a reason for weight classes.
          I don't think so, especially since no one in these lower weight classes actually weigh 122 pounds on fight night.

          122 and 126 should be merged to like 124 or 125 or something. Some of the weight classes that exist are just down right silly.

          There is a difference between say 160 and 168, not 122 and 126.
          Last edited by ИATAS; 01-26-2010, 12:14 PM.

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            #15
            Originally posted by ИATAS206
            4 pounds makes no difference in a fight. None what so ever.

            Gamboa whooped him because that type of style is always going to be easy for an athletic & fast guy like gamboa.

            As for Lopez, it's a tough fight to predict. I just think Gamboa's speed will be the difference.
            that has to be one of the most ******ed statements I've seen on boxingscene. The just shows how much you know about boxing

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              #16
              Originally posted by Sicario
              that has to be one of the most ******ed statements I've seen on boxingscene. The just shows how much you know about boxing
              I swear some of you people overrate weight so freakin much it's not even funny. No one weighs 122 on fight night, no one. Everyone rehydrates. The 24 hour prior weigh in nullifies certain weight classes entirely.

              You can take the best fighters at 122 and put them in against guys at 126 and there wont be much of a difference for the vast majority of them. The only real obstacle is height and reach, not the 4 pounds.
              Last edited by ИATAS; 01-26-2010, 12:21 PM.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Sicario
                that has to be one of the most ******ed statements I've seen on boxingscene. The just shows how much you know about boxing
                Natas is cool man. He knows his ****. I don't agree with him here but he's arguing his points intelligently. More than I can say for 95 percent of the board.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by -Rabbit Punch-
                  Natas is cool man. He knows his ****. I don't agree with him here but he's arguing his points intelligently. More than I can say for 95 percent of the board.
                  Thanks. I know I'm probably in the minority here I just think some of the junior and super weight classes aren't necessary, especially considering that now days the weigh in is 24 hours or more prior to the actual fight. There are 2-3 too many weight classes, imo.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by ИATAS206
                    I swear some of you people overrate weight so freakin much it's not even funny. No one weighs 122 on fight night, no one. Everyone rehydrates. The 24 hour prior weigh in nullifies certain weight classes entirely.

                    You can take the best fighters at 122 and put them in against guys at 126 and there wont be much of a difference for the vast majority of them. The only real obstacle is height and reach, not the 4 pounds.
                    Apparently, Rogers Mtagwa does...even when he's supposed to be fighting at 126.

                    For some fighters, making the desired weight is easier than others. I know, from personal experience, that everyone has a threshold beyond which they become noticeably weakened. If an athlete drops even one pound from that point, the difference is felt in a big way.

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                      #20
                      But that was pretty ******ed, basically he's saying a guy like calderon who's 108 can be competitive with nonito donaire at 112 lbs just because 4 pounds doesnt mean anything.

                      mtagwa came in at 122 lbs, lets say he rehydrated to about 127 lbs
                      gamboa came in at 126, lest say he rehydrated to about 135

                      thats a huge difference, definitely an advantage for gamboa, but either way gamboa would have knocked him out I'm just saying that the weight does matter

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