To ALL Who Hate Floyd Lets Get Something Straight Here..

[crillz]

You want to argue your point with name calling??? Pathetic.

you was being a prick, I can admit "Mr.**** Head" is a bit tasteless but you basically undermined what I said as pathetic, 2 wrongs don't make a right so don't feel like you actually saying something..

So whose looking forward to PAC and clottey? I sure am. who do you think will win? I am just glad clottey is gettin paid n pacs keeping active with active welters. Hope a certain fighter takes note

I'm looking forward to Pacquiao-Clottey for sure but does Pacquiao hold a Welterweight title? yes, does Floyd? no. why are you centering Floyd at Welterweight? this is not 2007 where he was basically holding the belt captive, not fighting the guys who I thought deserved a title shot but he has no more title, therefore no more obligations to fight ONLY Welterweights..

the Hatton fight was 147, Mitchell 147, Judah 147 Baldomir 147 and De La Hoya 154, the only fight Mayweather had a catchweight clause in was the Marquez fight in recent years and Pacquiao fought BOTH Oscar and Cotto at catchweights..

also you act like Floyd wouldn't fight those guys and beat them too, you're beyond naive if you going to pretend that Floyd didn't fight the guys Manny had a chance to fight because he was just "scared" or "ducking" them and not because of 1 old, greasy mother****er named Bob Arum.

[crillz]

cmon now people gave Shane **** for not wanting to fight Floyd. Also if I am not mistaken there have been times when Floyd had also said Mosley is not on his level so that in itself does not seem like an open invitation for the two to fight now does it

but lets fast foward to today where BOTH fighters seem to want the fight to happen. Let's toss away the reasons why the fight didn't happen years before because it really is irrelevant to what is going on now

both sides want the fight, nothing should stop it from happening and if doesnt happen Floyd haters have every right to **** on him because the perception is that Floyd did not want to. For most perception is reality.

you see when it's dealing with Shane you're willing to "toss away" the past but with Floyd it's always a negative approach, maybe not JUST YOU but overall nowadays it seems to be that way. Marquez was considered by most #2 lb for lb when Floyd fought him and people look more at the weight issues than his actual performance as if 2 pounds can guarantee a victory..

honestly lets NOT "toss away" the past especially when people to this very day still grind Floyd for turning down Plastercheato, you may be right and maybe NOW both sides want the fight but for damn near 10 years only Floyd wanted it. Pacquiao wants to back lanes and now Floyd is forced to fight Shane or he's no good? **** outta here with that..

NOBODY has the right to **** on a guy who remained undefeated for so long at such a high stage. just because he made it look easy against Marquez doesn't mean it was easy for Floyd, Wes Ferguson has Floyd's style to a TEE so why isn't he undefeated? it's because Floyd has something special in him but people are being blinded by fan boy bull****. Floyd needs SHANE MOSLEY??????? y'all is trippin..

no you mistook what I said. When I say he needs to exceed Manny vs Clottey what I mean is he needs to find a viable challenge that exceeds the challenge Manny took in Clottey and thats to fight Shane.

I care less about numbers unless we are talking who deserves what and I think those numbers between Shane and Money have already been determined from what I am hearing.

there are other "viable challenges" other than Shane though so why all this "Floyd GOTTA fight Shane" ****? he can bring up another guy or probably bring someone down. Floyd doesn't NEED to fight Shane. would you be mad if he fought Timothy Bradley at 146? I'm sure Bradley wouldn't mind the chance at Million dollar money against our generations best fighter who is still undefeated and a chance for a couple more spoonfuls in his plates, this is not to say I think or if he is going to fight Bradley that's just 1 good example of someone Floyd could fight other than giving Shane a pay day..

YOU might say you don't care about the money but that's exactly why you're sitting behind the computer not taking no punches like the fighters are, if you were you'd retract that statement very fast. on that level and with that risk the money is DEFINITELY a big deal. you CAN'T blame Floyd if he takes an easier fight for more money, using human logic that is the smart thing to do so why would I expect him not to? Floyd is the draw, people will tune in to see Shane VS Floyd with the hopes that because Shane is a reputed strong fighter that maybe he can be the one to beat Floyd but on his own they don't watch, this is coming from a Mosley SUPPORTER, truth is truth man and I wont blame Floyd if he took an easier fight for more money to preserve himself for the super fight we waiting for while Manny tries his hand against Clottey..


I dont doubt that and never have check my posts I am a far bigger fan of Floyd than people think. A;ways have been I am just real with my fandom.

I guess so, you don't seem like no **** rider but I'm just saying Floyd would have already fought Shane and fought Pacquiao in May had both of them not said no

this makes no sense please elaborate because you are all over the place

what I'm saying is that if Floyd fought Shane and beat him you'd find ways to undermine that win anyway so why even bother? all that risk to in the end STILL be discredited? it happened with Baldomir, De La Hoya and Judah so what will be different against a Shane who is OLDER than what Oscar was when Floyd fought him

read the bold

[crillz]

crillz is my dude..but this thread was bad..i mean real bad..floyd has ran out of passes..there is no logical excuse not to fight shane..i dont care what happened in the past..shane is a champion now,a big fight now,a real challenge now..floyd needs to step to the plate or retire..he cant say "oh im waiting for manny"you just had a chance to fight manny..and what happened to"all roads lead thru floyd mayweather??..and he says all people have to do is call him out and they can get it...DAMN SHANE JUMPED IN THE ****ING RING AND CALLED HIM OUT FACE TO FACE ALMOST CAUSEING A RIOT...

Larry whats good my dude, I respect your opinion but I'm inclined to disagree.. Shane might be a champion but he's still not a draw. REAL Boxing fans want to see this fight, I'd like to watch it but I can't sit here and pretend like Floyd NEEDS to fight Shane. yea Shane is a champion and that's all good but at this point in time it's about money, Shane doesn't draw a big crowd, Saul Alvarez in Mexico would be more money than Shane in the Staples Center, see what 'm saying? the risk has to even out with the reward and in the case with Shane it doesn't, yea he has a belt but if Floyd was REALLY worried about a Welterweight title he would have chased Andre Berto early, he went for #2 pound for pund Juan Manuel Marquez and now he has his mind set on #1..

Floyd don't give a **** about a strap at this point, it's icing on the cake because right now it's about big business, Floyd ain't worried about Mandatory Challengers and Unifying belts he's just pin pointing select individuals who present the most lucrative contracts and an equally as good scrap, being your own man and having liberty causes you to be very selective about who you fight, some can make that same argument about Bernard Hopkins who brought up both Winky and Pavlik from Middleweight to Light Heavyweight and fought Enrique Ornelas to set up a big fight, some might say B-Hop should have fought a harder fight but he didn't and he didn't get thrashed for it did he? so why thrash Floyd?

[DLT]

Crillz, what up homie? Yo, check out the Larry-Burner pre fight presser battle from last night in my other thread. Fast forward to the 2hr mark. **** was funny as hell. Also, I made a thread last night looking for you because we shut it down at 2 and cats still wanted to talk. I said I know Crillz would go if he's around

[MaD RoBoT]

so to sum it all up, Floyd cherrypicks a high reward/low risk fighter regardless of what the fans would want him to fight

[crillz]

he actually cheated marquez, but hes the lightweight champion. floyds a welterweight.

and have a look at the top ten welterweights, note that floyd has fought none of them, yet claims to be the best of all time. fcuk off.

Really? he cheated him? how? Marquez took 600,000$ cash straight into his own pockets, no trainer cut, corner man percentage, promoter nor nothin just cash into his pockets aside from a million dollar+ purse and all kinds of other money, he accepted the fight because he thought he was still able to win it. there's a reason why Floyd could knock out the bigger Ricky Hatton just 1 division south of him and couldn't KO Marquez from 2 divisions south, it's because Marquez is NO JOKE

I wanted Floyd to fight the other Welterweights when he still had a belt there, now that he doesn't he really doesn't NEED to fight those guys, he tried in the past already and they said no so I wouldn't blame him for fighting an easier fight for more money and rewards. it's the logical thing to do, it's what Shane would do if he had the chance.. I guess in a nutshell just remember that "I Would" and I Will" are VERY different, you could say what you WOULD do but you'd have to be that person or at least be in his position to really see what you WILL do, I don't mean that about YOU particularly but just in general for those who say what they would or wouldn't do if they were Floyd..

[crillz]

Crillz, what up homie? Yo, check out the Larry-Burner pre fight presser battle from last night in my other thread. Fast forward to the 2hr mark. **** was funny as hell. Also, I made a thread last night looking for you because we shut it down at 2 and cats still wanted to talk. I said I know Crillz would go if he's around

dag man I would have, I was getting blunted yesterday, I caught a couple movies and chilled with my home girl. ima definitely download the show though man I'll DEFINITELY call in Friday sometime before it ends, at least with enough time to get a hour in with y'all. ima check it out now my *****..

[crillz]

so to sum it all up, Floyd cherrypicks a high reward/low risk fighter regardless of what the fans would want him to fight

what I hate is that Floyd fought Gatti and was said to be cherry picking AFTER that fight but had ANYONE else taken that fight nobody would have said anything. people don't see how Kostya Tszyu and Ricky Hatton said no to Floyd they just know he fought Gatti and bash him..

from back then up until now with probably the exception of Mitchell in all of Floyd's fights he was doubted to an extent BEFORE the fight and then bashed AFTER for taking that fight, not because they weren't good opponents but because they wasn't good enough to compete with him, it left you wanting to see more and left you overlooking the fact every fight after the Mitchell fight was against a current champion, the problem is he set his bar too high and you want to see him fight all the top guys back to back when you don't ask that from no one else..

is it that he hand picked his fights or are y'all just some hard to please fans? I bet if he fought Shane and beat him y'all would say "he waited too long to fight Shane, Shane was old" or "Shane in his prime would have beaten him" completely bypassing the fact that Floyd called Shane out by name twice and both time got turned down

[MaD RoBoT]

Really? he cheated him? how? Marquez took 600,000$ cash straight into his own pockets, no trainer cut, corner man percentage, promoter nor nothin just cash into his pockets aside from a million dollar+ purse and all kinds of other money, he accepted the fight because he thought he was still able to win it. there's a reason why Floyd could knock out the bigger Ricky Hatton just 1 division south of him and couldn't KO Marquez from 2 divisions south, it's because Marquez is NO JOKE

I wanted Floyd to fight the other Welterweights when he still had a belt there, now that he doesn't he really doesn't NEED to fight those guys, he tried in the past already and they said no so I wouldn't blame him for fighting an easier fight for more money and rewards. it's the logical thing to do, it's what Shane would do if he had the chance.. I guess in a nutshell just remember that "I Would" and I Will" are VERY different, you could say what you WOULD do but you'd have to be that person or at least be in his position to really see what you WILL do, I don't mean that about YOU particularly but just in general for those who say what they would or wouldn't do if they were Floyd..

i have something to ask, i want your opinion

what if Manny suddenly retires after the Clottey fight?

would you blame Manny for robbing us the greatest fight of our time?

[crillz]

i have something to ask, i want your opinion

what if Manny suddenly retires after the Clottey fight?

would you blame Manny for robbing us the greatest fight of our time?

In terms of the 2 sides presenting their arguments I favor Floyd's side because I BEEN felt like they should have done some more thorough testing to help protect Boxers, Floyd just made it a real issue and I strongly agree with him..

if I had to place blame on 1 sides for this fight not happening it would be on Manny Pacquiao and Top Rank, they were the ones trying to manipulate demands, they acted like the commission in their previous fight and now are contradicting themselves against Floyd. Floyd has maintained his stance and request, Manny said he didn't want to be tested the day of the fight and Floyd said he'd give them 14 days and still no "yes", that is pretty self explanatory..