James Toney - the fight/hype differential.

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  • !! Anorak
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    James Toney - the fight/hype differential.

    I have to confess I've only ever seen two of Toney's fights over here - the Holyfield one and last Saturday's.

    Now, while I enjoyed them both and admired Toney immensely, I couldn't shake a slight nagging feeling that there's a large difference between the way Toney is selling himself and the product he's actually selling.

    Toney's way above the tedium of fighters like Hopkins, but he's still a fighter who would appeal more to followers of the sport rather than a mainstream audience. Granted, that chin of his will give some thrills to a depleted public audience hooked on the visceral aspect of the sport, but Toney is more of a tactician. His style of fighting is almost the definition of "negative", as his offense is not the driving factor in his bouts, but an experienced, intelligent countering. Despite the red welts on Ruiz's side, Toney was largely content to be held when Ruiz did grab, and allow the referee to do his work in separating them. Despite his verbosity he's very much a thinking man's fighter, a professor of the science behind it rather than an out-and-out brawler.

    Which is why I always feel slightly let down by a Toney fight. His style is fascinating - more impressive than a straightfoward puncher's, certainly - but Toney always sells himself as a jive-talking psychotic. To see him step between the ropes and emerge as a professional who favours ring generalship over seeking a first-round KO always feels like you're being sold short... but only because Toney never fulfills his own self-imposed remit.
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    Woah I think this is the most thoughtfull intelligent post youve done. Good K keep it up.

    Thats a real interesting point. Toney is a big talker but in the ring he is the quite man...

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    • The Troll
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      #3
      Very good editorial

      The serious side of Anorak.

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      • !! Anorak
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        Yeah, well, people like to say I don't do serious. I thought I'd do it as a special occasion, y'know...

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        • joeboxer
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          #5
          That's a good analysis.

          But I think Toney is thinking even more than you realize. His whole image is fake, it is clever marketing by himself.

          Ali was also a defensive fighter who talked alot of ****. I think that they are comprable in a lot of ways like that. Ali didn't really hate Frazier, he just wanted to sell tickets, that's the same thing Toney is doing.

          You can't sell a fight by saying "I am going to outclass this fighter and win a unanimous desicion."

          Toney knows that. He definitly won't knock out Vitali or Bryd but I think he could beat them.

          He "might" be able to KO Rhahman though.

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          • !! Anorak
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            Good point... though Ali is my favourite boxer I don't actually think he has that much conventional intelligence... it's more instinctive. Sure, he was quick and funny, but a lot of it was pre-scripted. And believe me, I hate to detract from Ali, I love the guy.

            But I get the feeling there's more substance to James.

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            • m00ks
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              Boxing is all about hitting and not getting hit. If you feel boxers are selling you short for not attempting first round knockouts every time they step in the ring, you're better off watching a fight between two drunks at your local bar. Sweet science is not only about the offensive the game. What he's selling is dominance over the other fighter regardless of his predictions of a knockout every time he steps foot in the ring. No one has a 100% KO ratio but his 43 KO speaks for itself. If you've only seen 2 fights of him, you're far from any position to criticize.

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              • The Troll
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                Toney's style of fighting is exciting to me I think I have him listed as my second most exciting fighter to watch after GAtti, in the most exciting fighters thread.

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                • !! Anorak
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                  Originally posted by m00ks
                  Boxing is all about hitting and not getting hit. If you feel boxers are selling you short for not attempting first round knockouts every time they step in the ring, you're better off watching a fight between two drunks at your local bar. Sweet science is not only about the offensive the game. What he's selling is dominance over the other fighter regardless of his predictions of a knockout every time he steps foot in the ring. No one has a 100% KO ratio but his 43 KO speaks for itself. If you've only seen 2 fights of him, you're far from any position to criticize.


                  There's always one, isn't there?

                  Have you even READ or UNDERSTOOD the post? Please - I was trying to have just ONE small thread without a smack-talking moron who doesn't get it chipping in and making it a slanging match. Just go away - and like I said in Karma, grow a brain. Thanks.

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                  • m00ks
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Anorak


                    There's always one, isn't there?

                    Have you even READ or UNDERSTOOD the post? Please - I was trying to have just ONE small thread without a smack-talking moron who doesn't get it chipping in and making it a slanging match. Just go away - and like I said in Karma, grow a brain. Thanks.

                    LOL I wasn't smalk talking but if you took it that way, then fine. I gotta tell you Anorak, you really hurt my feelings with your bad karma lol. Damn how old are you?

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