James Toney - the fight/hype differential.

[TheGreat1]

This is a great post, Toney's always talks likes he is going to KO someone, when i don't think he even cares, he justs wants to win. He is getting old and needs to make some money, so he is selling himself. I still like the way he fights, i also like Tarver, i guess i am a fan of the counter punching **** talkers. Once again great opening post.

[Guest]

This is a great post, Toney's always talks likes he is going to KO someone, when i don't think he even cares, he justs wants to win. He is getting old and needs to make some money, so he is selling himself. I still like the way he fights, i also like Tarver, i guess i am a fan of the counter punching **** talkers. Once again great opening post.

Thanks for that, Great1, appreciate it.


Do you want a fight, btw? I reckon I could take you...

[TheGreat1]

Thanks for that, Great1, appreciate it.


Do you want a fight, btw? I reckon I could take you...

anytime, are you pretty good?

[Guest]

I got a 4-4-2 record now. (All girls).

No, I'm just being ******. It's seeing those biceps of yours in that pic - they're huge, man!

[SacTown1]

I got a 4-4-2 record now. (All girls).

No, I'm just being ******. It's seeing those biceps of yours in that pic - they're huge, man!

you're scaring us Anorak, first the bra on Toney, now you analyze the Great1's biceps, chill out on the gayness (not that there's anything wrong with that heck Joe Goossen and Jay Nady are both super-gay and they've done a lot for the sport)

[Guest]

Jay Nady's gay? What? No way! Seriously?

I just can't help but be struck by Great1 (not in a gay way )- he looks as hard as ****, doesn't he?

[Cortez]

toney sells himself as a great fighter which he is. Always thinking, always watching, always defending, always catching, parrying , ducking slipping, rolling with and riding the punches off, and yet still when he counters he does it with power and while not a 1 punch artist his power is very accurate and increases as the fight does, and the late KO is always most satisfying which toney does best.

James toney talks a good game and walks it also.

Far more entertaining than the likes of hopkins IMO

Toeny DOES whoop a$$, he is no byrd in that respect, yet he is like Byrd skill wise .

[Shaolin Bushido]

I have to confess I've only ever seen two of Toney's fights over here - the Holyfield one and last Saturday's.

Now, while I enjoyed them both and admired Toney immensely, I couldn't shake a slight nagging feeling that there's a large difference between the way Toney is selling himself and the product he's actually selling.

Toney's way above the tedium of fighters like Hopkins, but he's still a fighter who would appeal more to followers of the sport rather than a mainstream audience. Granted, that chin of his will give some thrills to a depleted public audience hooked on the visceral aspect of the sport, but Toney is more of a tactician. His style of fighting is almost the definition of "negative", as his offense is not the driving factor in his bouts, but an experienced, intelligent countering. Despite the red welts on Ruiz's side, Toney was largely content to be held when Ruiz did grab, and allow the referee to do his work in separating them. Despite his verbosity he's very much a thinking man's fighter, a professor of the science behind it rather than an out-and-out brawler.

Which is why I always feel slightly let down by a Toney fight. His style is fascinating - more impressive than a straightfoward puncher's, certainly - but Toney always sells himself as a jive-talking psychotic. To see him step between the ropes and emerge as a professional who favours ring generalship over seeking a first-round KO always feels like you're being sold short... but only because Toney never fulfills his own self-imposed remit.

"Slight?"

He knows he's not the Greatest but probably does feel he'll find a way to beat most guys. He's got an ego out of this world and rarely loses when he's prepared properly.

[Guest]

"Slight?"

He knows he's not the Greatest but probably does feel he'll find a way to beat most guys. He's got an ego out of this world and rarely loses when he's prepared properly.

I definitely look forward to seeing more.

[Guest]

Bumped to ask the question - has the move up to heavyweight affected Toney's performance?

I'd never seen a Toney fight outside the division, but finally got to see the blistering Jirov fight (his finest?)