Comments Thread For: "FLOYD MAYWEATHER AND THE CHICKEN THEORY"

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Was never really impressed with Margarito...

I felt even more sure of it when Paul Williams outboxed him...

Him beating Cotto did suprise me though...

Floyd chose Baldomir over him, simple as that...Floyd got the same cash for the Baldomir bout...and he didn't have to deal with Arum...

The only people who are bitter that Floyd aint fight Marg, are a few of his fans, and those who dislike Floyd...

And if the guy truly used plaster, I don't know how you could possibly support him...

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noway that an undefeated champion and the longest ww champ were lesser fighters than a ww champ with 9 losses and a gatekeeper....total garbage...

Gatekeeper.....Judah was the undisputed champ in 06...what is talking about? Like i said, baldomir beat somewbody in the ring, Margarito ain't beat nobody at the time.

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To me there is a difference between fighters who are contenders at a time and fighters who are contenders and stay there... guys like Lewis, Kyvelos, Lujan all ranked guys if I'm right but they did pretty much nothing in the sport... the real big wins in his career for me are against Clottey and Cotto... because these two actually stayed on top for a whilem fighting good opposition...

Six Heads was the welterweight champ at one point actually - he flattened James Page, I believe who was heavily hyped coming off his astonishing win over Jose Louis Lopez. Danny Perez was another tough, tough contender. No disrespect but if you followed the sport then you'd see those were some good wins - not great, but very good.

Baldomir beat the undisputed champion Judah, beat Gatti (who is a former two division champion and was of course past his prime) and even had a win over Clottey... even though Clottey was of course DQ'd. Baldomir was undeafeated for many years and also fought some solid opponents... nothing big but solid...

Baldomir never was on Margarito's level. He did beat Judah in a major upset which is why I called him a flash in the pan. ****, Rafael Pineda almost beat Judah and did in the eyes of some. His win over Gatti is something casual fans should speak of, not guys like you and I. Gatti was burnt toast and had proved squat at 147. That was a gimme fight if ever there was one.

I never said that he had nothing but for a guy who is a career welter it wasn't anything out of this world... the same goes for Baldomir... but Baldomir had some big wins over name opponents... Margarito proabably fought the tougher fighters but like said guys like Lewis, Kyvelos, Lujan are not guys that will be remembered...

Margarito has the better resume and had the bigger name - then and now.

Do you really wanted to see Floyd against Margarito seriously??? I mean May-Mosley and May-Cotto are understandable but Margarito???

You're kidding, right? Ok...honest question...when did you start watching boxing?

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HBO showcased him plenty of times. Baldomir hasn't had a fraction of the HBO appearances Margarito had. Plus, everyone was mentioning Margarito back then and he had a nice following on the west coast.

He fought on the network but it seems to me that around that time they gave Baldomir a nice push. They gave him Gatti on WCB and to me at the time it seemed like they were setting up the Mayweather fight. Fair point about Margaritos following. His body of work was way better than Baldomir. Maybe you would know because I know you known your stuff. What was Margaritos deal with HBO? I recall the Clottey fight being on showtime and I recalled thinking why wouldnt hbo buy this fight?

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He fought on the network but it seems to me that around that time they gave Baldomir a nice push. They gave him Gatti on WCB and to me at the time it seemed like they were setting up the Mayweather fight. Fair point about Margaritos following. His body of work was way better than Baldomir. Maybe you would know because I know you known your stuff. What was Margaritos deal with HBO? I recall the Clottey fight being on showtime and I recalled thinking why wouldnt hbo buy this fight?

Margarito had been on HBO for years. Since 2002. He'd also been on Showtime before that. Lest we forget, Margarito headlined an ESPN PPV where Mosley was on...the undercard.

But back to HBO. They simply could not get a fight done between him and Mayorga (after Mayorga beat Forrest twice) simply because King didn't want to put Mayorga in with anyone but one of his fighters. I think we've discussed this extensively. Both were HBO fighters at the time but King took Mayorga elsewhere and put him in the ring with another one of his own fighters instead of the big threat (sound familiar). Too bad Mayorga lost that fight (to Spinks). So what did King do? Put Spinks in with another one of his own fighters (Zab). And so on and so on. Margarito had several fights on HBO, up to the Santos bout. And returned but was never exclusive to the network (good for him).

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Was never really impressed with Margarito...

I felt even more sure of it when Paul Williams outboxed him...

Him beating Cotto did suprise me though...

Floyd chose Baldomir over him, simple as that...Floyd got the same cash for the Baldomir bout...and he didn't have to deal with Arum...

The only people who are bitter that Floyd aint fight Marg, are a few of his fans, and those who dislike Floyd...

And if the guy truly used plaster, I don't know how you could possibly support him...

fair enough..his skills aint his best weapon but his toughness , continous pressure,and workrate is what makes him dangerous.. ... margo on the last few rounds vs williams was very effective, he started slow and wasted few rounds early...i think a rematch would be a lot closer...margo >> baldo..

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I think you simply have to make a difference Lefty between a personal opinion of how a fighter should behave and facts.

I as much as anybody can only assume things. I'm not Floyd... I'm not his homie or in his team or whatever and can only guess why he does what he does. I personally can understand and defend most of the things he did in his career. Do I wish that he would have fought someone different at times... YES, but you also have to see that there are always two for an tango you know.

When it comes to the lower classes I think we don't have to talk about... at 135 and 140 I heard him many times call out good fighters. I'm not talking about Mayweather today... I'm talking about the humble guy who was asked frequently after fights who he wants to fight... and he said simply Tszyu, Freitas, Casamayor etc. and I believe him... I don't know why I should put the blame on him only for these fights not materalizing... he was a P4P guy and was the most skilled boxer BUT he had never any power to make something. PPL seem to forget that he was not that Ray Leonard guy who could walk out of the Olympics and fight bums (not saying that he fought bums) and make millions... could choose who he wanted to fight... Floyd never was that.

I think it approach changed pretty much as he realised I'm the best, I'm fighting the best but it doesn't get me anywhere... so he arranged more for name fighters... it is well documented that he wanted to fight Cotto and Hatton at 140... who were both champs at the time... both at the time couldn't have competed with him... so I understand that these two ain't fought him at the time... but what should he do more then wanting to fight champions (that fight against Bruseless was a joke no question about it) you know...

He moved up to 147 and wanted to fight the undisputed champion Judah... who lost to Baldomir... he fought them both (both were welterweights and top ranked at the time)

After that DLH, which anybody would have done

After that Hatton... I to this day don't understand why Hatton is called smaller... Hatton was a champion at 147... Hatton was the best at 140... that Hatton wasn't as good at 147 as he was at 140 is true but Mayweather at 147 is also not as good as at 130... it's normal for a guy who is the best in his division and has no challenges anymore to move up... I don't understand what the big deal is. Pacquiao as now is as much a real welter as Ricky Hatton is or was.
He retired... everybody can have his opinion of why... but fact is he retired or took a break from the sport whatever you wanna call it.

He came back and fought Marquez. He was a comeback fight... a good name to make ppl interested and to keep him sharp (even though Marquez couldn't hurt him, he is a very sharp puncher) and to give ppl some reason to say wow, he beat the guy who Pacquiao had problems with... Marquez was nothing more then a tune-up...

He went after Pacquiao who is the best right now... it doesn't materialized...

Now as it seems we have Mosley... the best welter right now... I really don't see what the fuzz is all about... could have been his resume better yes... is it his fault - to a degree yes...

At Welterweight he fought 5 fights until now...

Sharmba Mitchell former champion at 140, but was fighting at the time at 147, I don't know if he was ranked
Judah, ranked 2 or 3 I believe
Baldomir, ranked 1
Hatton, best at 140, former welter champ... could be that he still was ranked
Marquez, tune-up after retirement (which is nothing unusual... most fighters after comeback fight an easy fight, even Leonard after his first retirement)
and Now Mosley, ranked 1 or 2

Are the names a bit lacking yes, but at the time he fought Judah and Baldomir there was no Cotto or Mosley around... he could have fought Margarito but at the time Margarito was not bigger then either Judah or Baldomir...

I agree with everything you said that I bolded and I partcially agree with the lines in red to some extent. To me Hatton was never a true Champion at the WW division. Even though he beat Collazo in a ver close fight he moved right back down to JWW and fought Urango and only came back to WW when he was offered a fight with Floyd. Since then he has not foguth above JWW again. So to me he took one fight at WW to test the waters against a good but not elite WW in Collazo came close to losing that fight and then fought a close hard UD against Urango. Everything else you said I pretty much agree with and if I could I would give you some green K for a VERY GOOD WELL THOUGHT OUT POST.....Lefty

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fair enough..his skills aint his best weapon but his toughness , continous pressure,and workrate is what makes him dangerous.. ... margo on the last few rounds vs williams was very effective, he started slow and wasted few rounds early...i think a rematch would be a lot closer...margo >> baldo..

Yeah Margarito's better than Baldomir but neither guy is some great name to have on your resume...

If you ask me, if Floyd had fought Margarito instead, people would be saying the same about Baldomir who woulda been exposed sooner or later by a top fighter...

Margarito's style is just wrong for Cotto...just like Floyd's style is all wrong for Margarito...

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Gatekeeper.....Judah was the undisputed champ in 06...what is talking about? Like i said, baldomir beat somewbody in the ring, Margarito ain't beat nobody at the time.

thats because he got to keep his belt after getting whooped by baldo before fighting floyd......margo was a bigger name than baldo, and was way beter fighter than by far

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Six Heads was the welterweight champ at one point actually - he flattened James Page, I believe who was heavily hyped coming off his astonishing win over Jose Louis Lopez. Danny Perez was another tough, tough contender. No disrespect but if you followed the sport then you'd see those were some good wins - not great, but very good.

Yeah, he once was the welterweight champ... Judah, Baldomir were once the champ too... but you don't give them respect either as it seems... yeah, I say it again he fought tough guys and contenders but none of them had ever any big meaning to the game... they were what they were... good, tough contenders... six heads even champion... that's exactly what I said... they aren't great... they were good solid wins

Baldomir never was on Margarito's level. He did beat Judah in a major upset which is why I called him a flash in the pan. ****, Rafael Pineda almost beat Judah and did in the eyes of some. His win over Gatti is something casual fans should speak of, not guys like you and I. Gatti was burnt toast and had proved squat at 147. That was a gimme fight if ever there was one.

I don't believe that Baldomir was on Margarito's level either but that doesn't change his resume... I also think that Clottey is a good fighter but his resume says **** too... that Gatti was past it I said all along. Yeah, it was a gimme fight but it is still a name... the worth of the win of course is not that big because of the circumstances

Margarito has the better resume and had the bigger name - then and now.

Bigger names I don't know dude... he had better challenges if considered at which point in time they met...

Baldomir - Clottey, Judah, Gatti, (Mayweather), Forrest (after May)
Margarito - Clottey, Cotto (after May), Williams (after May), Mosley (after May)

I would say he has an edge if I consider at which time he fought them (Margarito)

You're kidding, right? Ok...honest question...when did you start watching boxing?

I started watching boxing back in let me think... it was a Tyson fight... Ruddock fight I believe... a fight where the ref stopped a bit prematurely... I think it was Ruddock IDK 100%

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