who has the better resume? erik morales or PBF?

[-PANDA-]

so who deserves more credit if you are going to look at it in a boxing historian's perspective?

we'll see when floyd retires

right now its apples and oranges

[talip bin osman]

I'd say Morales slightly, basically because of Barrera and Pacquiao. He has six losses but they were only to four people, two being Pacquiao when Morales was past it and the other two being to Diaz and Raheem for the same reason.

Mayweather accomplished more, but against not quite as good competition.

good post kimosave... green K for u...

[Mares]

shyt of course ERIK MORALES man!!!

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we'll see when floyd retires

right now its apples and oranges

I'll have to go with this.

They both have hall of fame career's, but Mayweather is still campaigning.

[Roger Mellie]

so who deserves more credit if you are going to look at it in a boxing historian's perspective?

Morales undoubtedly. He is famous for the fighters he fought. Floyd has achieved a lot,but is known more for the fights he didnt have as opposed to the ones he did.

[tesla_power]

who has faced better foes P4P?

who faced the tougher challenges?

educated answers will be much appreciated...

Resume? I'd say Pbf. Running 5 weight classes without any losses is exceptional to say the least. You could argue Morales but bottom line he lost 2 out of 3 times for both pac and mab trilogies. This will really be noticed 20 years from now.
Better foes? Morales. I think this was not in doubt. Just factoring both mab and pac
Tougher challenges? Morales. And even when he is beginning to show wear and tear , he still fought pac. That is challenging yourself but it means we only got a short time to enjoy his fights. You could argue Pbf ... but the ease of the way he dispose of his opponents leaves a lingering thought that he could have had better opposition out there.

Personally, I enjoy the 130-135 Pbf more than the fights of Morales. And I enjoy morales fights better than mab or jmm.

[jkaisen41]

who has faced better foes P4P?

who faced the tougher challenges?

educated answers will be much appreciated...

Hard to say...

Morales had very good runs as champion... most fighters won't stand out if we look back in the history of the sport... but they were mostly accepted challengers or champions... Morales biggest wins were probably Barrera and Pacquiao and he was blessed to have such talent around him... I think Barrera and Morales even though skilled pretty much made themselves legends by fighting each other... it's not like their competition was any greater then Floyds.

Morales win over Pacquiao I think is somehow a little bit in the category of Sachnez beating Azumah (Azumah at the time wasn't very known and got a great career after the fight)... at the time Pacquiao was more known and had some big wins but wasn't still the fighter that he is today and pretty fresh and about to make that great run which ranks him so high...

He lost the rematches... you can argue that he was past it... but it's up to anyone...

If you look at who had tougher challenges you tend to say Morales... because he was in wars... but I also think that a few times he got down to other fighters levels because of his machismo if you will and made fights outta fights where there was no need for... for a guy with his skill.

Mayweather never had any real greats around him or in his weight class that will be in the category of Pacquiao and Barrera... once he had Mosley a weight class above him the fight never materialized... but that's pretty much it... now at WW he has the chance of fighting Mosley and Pacquiao... and can still add to his resume...

Mayweather has fought two opponents that Morales faced later on and beaten both at least as soundly and convincing as Morales did...

Mayweather has won more titles in more divisions... they both had about the same amount of fights with fighters who were or was champions (some poster noted that Morales had 15, Mayweather has about 14 or 15 as well I believe)

I personally feel Mayweathers resume as better... but Morales of course has with Pacquiao and Barrera (in their primes or as good as primes) great names... I think the body of work from Mayweather holds up with it (great resume at 130, fought the best fighter there was at 135 at the time... after that his competition a little bit declined but everybody (exceptions been Bruseless) was or were a champion that he fought... he also beat a guy in Hatton who was the best at 140... or course it was at 147 but he also fought the best fighter at 140 even though it was at 147 *lol* Judah and Baldomir were top ranked WW's at the time he fought him even though compared to guys like Cotto... they are not at the same level in what to Cotto has devoloped of course...

Like said... I feel May's is better and have a positive feeling that he will at least add Mosley (still hope and believe that if May beats Mosley that Pacquiao has no other chance and the fight will get made)... I think if he adds Mosley there is no question that his is better but until that day I can still see why some would rank Morales before Mayweather. Both are really, really good fighters... the only thing that is a bit different I guess... that you would expect Floyd to have a better resume with his skill... which is not only his fault but he also didn't do himself any favours at times and is at times self to blame for some things...

I'm done *loooooooooooooooooooooool*

[KoPill]

Resume? I'd say Pbf. Running 5 weight classes without any losses is exceptional to say the least. You could argue Morales but bottom line he lost 2 out of 3 times for both pac and mab trilogies. This will really be noticed 20 years from now.
Better foes? Morales. I think this was not in doubt. Just factoring both mab and pac
Tougher challenges? Morales. And even when he is beginning to show wear and tear , he still fought pac. That is challenging yourself but it means we only got a short time to enjoy his fights. You could argue Pbf ... but the ease of the way he dispose of his opponents leaves a lingering thought that he could have had better opposition out there.

Personally, I enjoy the 130-135 Pbf more than the fights of Morales. And I enjoy morales fights better than mab or jmm.

I don't believe he was focused when he fought Marco that third time around. He just didn't look like he had the will to win (almost like he didn't even want to be there). I think if he comes hungry to win he might have been able to beat MAB. The fights with Pacquiao, I think he was just drained. Before that second fight he moved up to LW, so i don't think there's any doubt that 130 was not a weight that he could make any more. If I remeber correctly he was still beating Pacquiao much the way he did in there first fight before he hit a wall in the 6th. In the latter part of that fight you could see that he was just physically drained. The third fight we won't even go there. Since I know he tried to get the fight at 135, and Pacquaio and Roach wasn't having it. 135 would have been a much more competive because he wouldn't have had to struggle to make weight. Resume wise, I'd probably give the slight edge to Erik. Not trying to take anything away from Floyd, but IMO I think Erik fought the tougher competition from start to finish.

[S.G.]

Mayweather.

I find his record at super featherweight and lightweight more impressive than Morales' at super bantamweight and featherweight.

They have relatively similar title defenses and wins,

Mayweather with an old but able G. Hernandez, some decent contenders like Manfredy, N'dou, Augustus, C. Hernandez, Chavez (C. Hernandez and Chavez would later make up the bulk of Morales winning record at super featherweight), a really nice, dominating win over the incredibly dangerous Diego Corrales, and two hard fought wins over the very tough Castillo.

Morales has old hall of famer Zaragoza, Barrera conquerer Junior Jones (although he was coming off a loss), and some good defenses/wins against the contenders and titlists doing the rounds at the time like McCullough, Kelley and Ayala. He also has the first two fights in his legendary trilogy with Barrera, the first of which he was very, very lucky to get the decision in, in my opinion, and the second of which he lost.

Mayweather comes out ahead in that comparison to me, and both of those periods make up of the bulk of each man's résumé.

Mayweather also has a brief run at junior welter where he struggled to get the fights that mattered against Hatton, Cotto and Tszyu but still amassed a few solid victories over a weathered Gatti and Sharmba Mitchell and DeMarcus Corley.

Then, the final stretches of each man's career up to this point and also where they each keep the majority of their signature fights, Morales at super featherweight and Mayweather at welter:

Morales has a close loss to Barrera to cap off the trilogy, the wins against former Mayweather victims that I mentioned earlier, and that legendary win over Manny Pacquiao. However, he then went on to put on a good show against Pacman again before being overwhelmed and KO'd and absolutely got his ass handed to him in the final bout of that trilogy. He also lost decisively to Raheem and finally bowed out to David Diaz in a close fight.

Mayweather has welterweight contemporary and highly skilled Zab Judah, who was in a weird place in his career at the time, coming off of his physical peak but recently experiencing a loss against the limited Carlos Baldomir, losing his lineal and WBC titles. Mayweather then beat Baldomir to collect the aforementioned trinkets. Then Mayweather has two mega fights (and wins) in a year, first against an old but relatively able De La Hoya in which he conceded all feasible advantages before the fight had even begun, and secondly against an old rival from junior welterweight, Ricky Hatton, who was soundly beaten. And recently he picked up a win against future hall of famer Juan Manuel Marquez, who probably overstretched himself making 144lbs.

Again, I'd give it to Mayweather. That period for Morales would probably be chaptered under 'downfall' while Mayweather's stay at welter (and briefly above) defined as the pinnacle of his status in boxing.

Mayweather is also the more talented fighter of the two, was a more prodigeous prospect so experienced less filler, winning his first title just two years and 18 fights into his career (Morales taking ~4 years), has never tasted defeat, usually won in a more convincing fashion and still has more on the horizon.

[Bushbaby]

Morales undoubtedly. He is famous for the fighters he fought. Floyd has achieved a lot,but is known more for the fights he didnt have as opposed to the ones he did.

That's a very interesting way to look at it,U should make a tread using that same phrase!!