Who Do You Rate As The Better Fighter Sergio Martinez Or Andre Ward?

[Makavelli Jr.]

I really think Kessler had a big time off night against Ward, sure Ward looked pretty impressive but he holds and butts a lot, he's not an exciting fighter. He's got the tools but he won't get too far from where he's at right now.

Ya, because every accomplishment in his career so far suggest what you just said.

[El 7 Mares V.2]

Ya, because every accomplishment in his career so far suggest what you just said.

What has he done besides beat an off-night Kessler?

[project xxx1]

ward

[Makavelli Jr.]

What has he done besides beat an off-night Kessler?

Ive never seen an expert say he had an off night. Sure it's possible, but just an opinion.

He won a gold medal to. His career is young. Your just assuming he won't improve, because you don't like him.

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

you get him out of his hometown enviroment with a reff like Kenny Bayless in there and the holding stops BIG TIME...He is limited with the use of his head and we see what skills he has other than holding and hitting, butting and pushing off...Lefty

[Akyra]

martinez, no doubt about it.

[El 7 Mares V.2]

Ive never seen an expert say he had an off night. Sure it's possible, but just an opinion.

He won a gold medal to. His career is young. Your just assuming he won't improve, because you don't like him.

A gold medal, big deal, he hasn't done anything except beat an off-night Kessler so far in his career, he ain't that young anymore, he's almost 26 and he's been fighting tomato cans up to Kessler. I don't see how much more improvement he's gonna have, I guess we can leave this discussion after the tournament ends.

[Makavelli Jr.]

A gold medal, big deal, he hasn't done anything except beat an off-night Kessler so far in his career, he ain't that young anymore, he's almost 26 and he's been fighting tomato cans up to Kessler. I don't see how much more improvement he's gonna have, I guess we can leave this discussion after the tournament ends.

Your argument is based off pure opinion. Literally every point you made was your own opinion. How do I argue that?

I base my arguments on facts.

[SugarRayRob]

ward, he has good headbutts and conte's special mix.

[dstew]

A gold medal, big deal, he hasn't done anything except beat an off-night Kessler so far in his career, he ain't that young anymore, he's almost 26 and he's been fighting tomato cans up to Kessler. I don't see how much more improvement he's gonna have, I guess we can leave this discussion after the tournament ends.

You're blinded by your bias.

Ward is five years into his professional career and he just beat the #1 fighter in his division and won his first world title.

When Martinez was five years into his pro career he was fighting club fighters in Spain. Yet now, six years later, Martinez is a titlist and arguably just beat one of the top p4p fighters in the world.

If Martinez can accomplish what he has in the second half of his career, how can you say that Ward doesn't have an equal or greater upside, given how his career has progressed compared to Martinez' early years. Ward could easily be a top p4p fighter in two or three years time, much less 12 years into his career, where Martinez currently is.