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  • CoolDad
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    #141
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    I'm a pacman fan but i'm no blind fanatic.

    I'm no boxing man either but i was into taekwondo and judo during college. So i know movement, positioning and timing are keys to fighting not bulk.

    Seeing all the styles that Pacquiao opponent's tried to do to Pacquiao, I don't think seeing a 160-170lbs Clottey would be more effective than a 152-157lbs Clottey. That's why Team Pacquiao is wary of a Mosley or Foreman fight. Mosley and Foreman are mobile with their feet and can throw jabs. I honestly think the fight with Foreman was shelved not because of sheer size but because Foreman has lateral movements and has a good jab.

    Pacquiao likes opponent who are slow on their feet. A lean and mean Clottey would do more damage than a massive Clottey. Hatton already tried that style.

    Remember Cotto. I think Cotto had the best conditioning to last Pacquiao contrary to what Cotto fans say that he is dried up. If Cotto hadn't gone toe to toe with Pacquiao and stuck to his jab and left hook while bicycling away from Pacquiao, he wouldn't have been beaten that badly. Cotto should have fought Pacquiao like he fought Mosley. Cotto would still lose but not too lopsided. Pacquiao was frustrated in the latter rounds because of this.

    Clottey must increase his work rate, learn to sidestep (sideways instead of forward/backward) and rely on jabs plus left hooks. Clottey must not focus on power but on stamina and feet quickness. Barrera's 2nd fight with Pacquiao is an intelligent fight although he lost because psychologically, he was fighting not to lose and the judges saw that. To fight against Pacquiao, it should be an intelligent fight. Not a brawl. Just pure boxing. That's why Mayweather's style would have made it a beautiful fight because their styles are the anti-thesis of each other.

    A habit i saw with Pacquiao during the Marquez and Cotto fights is when Pacquiao finished his attack (gap after throwing his punches and backing/sidestepping), he either puts down his guard or his guard is too wide which is susceptible for an uppercut.

    However, goodluck on timing the uppercut as Pacquiao has a workrate with no comparison.

    My take if its a stoppage:

    KO by Clottey if round 1-7
    KO by Pacman if round 8-12 onwards

    If its by decision:

    I still root for Pacquiao but if it comes to decision - contrary to most pac fans - I'd go for Clottey.

    I'm still a Pac fan though win or loss. He already have nothing to prove. He is already an all time great.
    Last edited by CoolDad; 01-12-2010, 07:12 AM.

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    • TOBYLEE1
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      #142
      Originally posted by CoolDad
      I'm a pacman fan but i'm no blind fanatic.

      I'm no boxing man either but i was into taekwondo and judo during college. So i know movement, positioning and timing are keys to fighting not bulk.

      Seeing all the styles that Pacquiao opponent's tried to do to Pacquiao, I don't think seeing a 160-170lbs Clottey would be more effective than a 152-157lbs Clottey. That's why Team Pacquiao is wary of a Mosley or Foreman fight. Mosley and Foreman are mobile with their feet and can throw jabs. I honestly think the fight with Foreman was shelved not because of sheer size but because Foreman has lateral movements and has a good jab.

      Pacquiao likes opponent who are slow on their feet. A lean and mean Clottey would do more damage than a massive Clottey. Hatton already tried that style.

      Remember Cotto. I think Cotto had the best conditioning to last Pacquiao contrary to what Cotto fans say that he is dried up. If Cotto hadn't gone toe to toe with Pacquiao and stuck to his jab and left hook while bicycling away from Pacquiao, he wouldn't have been beaten that badly. Cotto should have fought Pacquiao like he fought Mosley. Cotto would still lose but not too lopsided. Pacquiao was frustrated in the latter rounds because of this.

      Clottey must increase his work rate, learn to sidestep (sideways instead of forward/backward) and rely on jabs plus left hooks. Clottey must not focus on power but on stamina and feet quickness. Barrera's 2nd fight with Pacquiao is an intelligent fight although he lost because psychologically, he was fighting not to lose and the judges saw that. To fight against Pacquiao, it should be an intelligent fight. Not a brawl. Just pure boxing. That's why Mayweather's style would have made it a beautiful fight because their styles are the anti-thesis of each other.

      A habit i saw with Pacquiao during the Marquez and Cotto fights is when Pacquiao finished his attack (gap after throwing his punches and backing/sidestepping), he either puts down his guard or his guard is too wide which is susceptible for an uppercut.

      However, goodluck on timing the uppercut as Pacquiao has a workrate with no comparison.

      My take if its a stoppage:

      KO by Clottey if round 1-7
      KO by Pacman if round 8-12 onwards

      If its by decision:

      I still root for Pacquiao but if it comes to decision - contrary to most pac fans - I'd go for Clottey.

      I'm still a Pac fan though win or loss. He already have nothing to prove. He is already an all time great.
      Counterpunchers have the best chance to beat Pac which Clottey isn't. As you mentioned slow footed foward plotter that fights in bursts. I don't Clottey much a chance. I think again ppl are banking that he is the bigger guy.

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        #143
        Originally posted by kingfaze19
        and this is why pacquiao is the best in the business, he puts himself in situations where you really dont know how it would turn out..this fight could go either way, clottey has never been cut, bruised, dominated before, so this opponent in my view is tougher than cotto was, cuz cotto had a history of being wobbled by torres, corley, and judah.. clottey has no history of being beaten up, even in his defeats..

        so manny should train very hard, cuz clottey is one rugged, rough man whos built like an ox, it will be epic if manny knocks him out, i highly doubt it though..clottey has taken blows from cotto, margarito, judah, baldomir..hes made for this, and he will be real hungry since he felt he was robbed in the cotto fight, and he had a legit complaint, i felt he won too, but in new york in a place full of puerto ricans the day before the parade, he really had no shot in a decision..

        this fight is good for boxing, 2 elite welters facing each other, in cowboys stadium.. im sold
        co-sign brah.
        clottey should have clearly won over cotto if he didn't 'sleep' the last 2-3 rounds.
        only pachaters say this is a walk in the park for manny...
        how come floyd can't fyt clottey....rather than lil hatton.
        floyd is so consumed of himself....only for the money, never for the fans.
        pretty boy floyd mayweather jr is the greatest boxer of all time...according to "money may" and big floyd.

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          #144
          Originally posted by StarRican
          Which makes many people wonder if he is indeed on something since he got got knocked down and really hurt against Nedal Hussein in 2000, with a Jab Hook of some sorts..that was on his 31st fight and at 122. And if you don't know then check it out.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPVr3qvvsAg
          pacman during those times was young and faminish...with not enough food and wtihout proper nutrition.
          manny was still short of cash until 2004, where he and his pinoy team will eat at my uncle's residence in LA after daily training in wild card.
          they even bought him a pair of shoes, some vitamins and linament oil for muscle sores.
          in gratitude, manny never forget to send 8-10 assorted tickets(seats) to his every fyt up until the cotto fyt.

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            #145
            Originally posted by tymann23
            bad idea..his best bet is to be cautious and try to keep a safe distance with clottey and try to outwork him. if he tries to fight inside with clottey he will guranteed get himself knocked out.
            Clottey doesn't have the power.

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            • jetgeomcx
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              #146
              Originally posted by Killa_Kali
              "there is going to be no catch-weight on this one." arum said.
              then again........
              nothing is official until we learn from the signed fyt contract.

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              • mrbigshot
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                #147
                i think pac can stop clottey, clottey has fast hands and is very tough and has a steel jaw but pac will hit him to often to the body and head and wear him down i have a feeling clottey is mentally weak and could be tkoed

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                  #148
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                  Last edited by Maidana vs Rios; 01-12-2010, 12:26 PM.

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                    #149
                    Originally posted by TOBYLEE1
                    Counterpunchers have the best chance to beat Pac which Clottey isn't. As you mentioned slow footed foward plotter that fights in bursts. I don't Clottey much a chance. I think again ppl are banking that he is the bigger guy.
                    He counterpunched the **** out of Margarito for the first few rounds of that fight.

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                      #150
                      Originally posted by Splackavellie
                      He counterpunched the **** out of Margarito for the first few rounds of that fight.
                      He will counter punch but he fights in burst. He pressures with a high guard and unleashes. Margo throws a lot of punches so he had to punch in between his punches. He cannot move as a boxer or have the head movement to make him miss and pay. I haven't seen him ever to keep a sustained attack

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