i therefore conclue the PACMAN is clean.. evidence inside

[-The Glove-]

Here is the critical issue: how does Mayweather get an advantage through the testing?

Uhh blood?

[Pullcounter]

Here is the critical issue: how does Mayweather get an advantage through the testing?

cause pac suffers from the nocebo effect

In its original application, "nocebo" had a very specific meaning in the medical domains of pharmacology, and nosology, and etiology.

It was a subject-oriented adjective that was used to label the harmful, unpleasant, or undesirable reactions (or responses) that a subject manifested (thus, "nocebo reactions" or "nocebo responses") as a result of administering an inert dummy drug, where these responses had not been chemically generated, and were entirely due to the subject's pessimistic belief and expectation that the inert drug would produce harmful, injurious, unpleasant, or undesirable consequences.

In these cases, there is no "real" drug involved, but the actual harmful, unpleasant or undesirable physiological, behavioural, emotional, and/or cognitive consequences of the administration of the inert drug are very real.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocebo

(yeah, I know its wikipedia, but go to the external links or google it if you want)

[Civilized]

wouldn't it be good for their bank accounts if they started testing all pro-boxing matches in the USA and other countries w/ big boxing fanbases?

Golden Boy asked pacquiao to choose any other company to do the testing. As long as it was random and included blood. Pacquiao said no.

So, that's that.

[Allucard]

1. HGH is the only illegal drug cant be traced by urine A lie. Third generation EPO is invisible too and I'm sure many others
2. HGH cant be mixed with protein shakes So what?
3. Ariza is only giving protein shakes to Pacman, Khan, Vanes Laughable. No comments needed.

So if Ariza cant add HGH to their protein shakes.. what could he add that wont show up in the urine See 1.

i therefore conclude the PACMAN is clean..

The ONLY proof Pacquiao can supply he is not cheating is taking the ***ing Olympic style testing program on like a MAN who has nothing to fear.
It's like being stopped for speeding and trying to work around a way not to get tested for Alcohol levels. You can't do that, you need to blow.
Btw that's the case Pacquiao will take to court when he's asked to clear the air around himself.

[Civilized]

cause pac suffers from the nocebo effect

In its original application, "nocebo" had a very specific meaning in the medical domains of pharmacology, and nosology, and etiology.

It was a subject-oriented adjective that was used to label the harmful, unpleasant, or undesirable reactions (or responses) that a subject manifested (thus, "nocebo reactions" or "nocebo responses") as a result of administering an inert dummy drug, where these responses had not been chemically generated, and were entirely due to the subject's pessimistic belief and expectation that the inert drug would produce harmful, injurious, unpleasant, or undesirable consequences.

In these cases, there is no "real" drug involved, but the actual harmful, unpleasant or undesirable physiological, behavioural, emotional, and/or cognitive consequences of the administration of the inert drug are very real.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocebo

(yeah, I know its wikipedia, but go to the external links or google it if you want)

Was USADA going to administer a drug to Pacquiao?

Did Pacquiao suffer from "the nocebo" effect when he gave blood 20-ish days before the Hatton fight?

[Pullcounter]

Was USADA going to administer a drug to Pacquiao?

Did Pacquiao suffer from "the nocebo" effect when he gave blood 20-ish days before the Hatton fight?

so why don't team mayweather propose a 20 day cut off date?

Golden Boy asked pacquiao to choose any other company to do the testing. As long as it was random and included blood. Pacquiao said no.

So, that's that.

Arum said "lets use the same people that do pro-football and baseball to test Floyd and Pac."

GBP said "uh... no"

[Eagle Eye]

The ONLY proof Pacquiao can supply he is not cheating is taking the ***ing Olympic style testing program on like a MAN who has nothing to fear.
It's like being stopped for speeding and trying to work around a way not to get tested for Alcohol levels. You can't do that, you need to blow.
Btw that's the case Pacquiao will take to court when he's asked to clear the air around himself.

Under a different set of facts/ circumstances, i will agree with you but not on this one where the accusation about Pac being on roids came ahead of the request for random blood testing..It is easy to say that "Oh Pac, you could have just said yes and we have a fight". But that is not the scenario here..no great fighter worth his salt will agree to said request after having been prematurely accused in the press..A fight of this magnitude should have been delicately negotiated where either party must have kept everything that has been agreed or disagreed upon within the confines of the negotiating table until the contract is signed.

All of us agree that it is for the good of the sport but sad to say we are all irrelevant with regard to the issue at hand. But you may ask, who is relevant? Floyd and his camp are relevant.

As i have adverted to in my other posts,too much has been said about this issue of random testing but we have yet to find one who has taken the cudgels to bring this one up to the proper forum. Floyd and his group is an interested party..Why not file a petition before the governing body to make this random testing mandatory to all concerned? Yes, parties may negotiate on whatever terms they want under the sun. People here are arguing why is it that Pac's camp asked for a penalty of 10M for every pound over the contracted weight? The amount may be too much but, still, asking for this, i.e. penalty per se, is not unprecedented. On the other hand, asking for extra testing in addition to the prevailing test IMHO is unprecedented, thus, the refusal..There is still time..If Floyd's camp is in good faith, why not file a petition before the governing body and start the application thereof with the Mosley-Berto fight. Do you think Pac's camp will oppose the petition? I don't think so because the petition will be all encompassing that it will bind all professional boxers, not only Floyd and Pac...

[-The Glove-]

Under a different set of facts/ circumstances, i will agree with you but not on this one where the accusation about Pac being on roids came ahead of the request for random blood testing..It is easy to say that "Oh Pac, you could have just said yes and we have a fight". But that is not the scenario here..no great fighter worth his salt will agree to said request after having been prematurely accused in the press..A fight of this magnitude should have been delicately negotiated where either party must have kept everything that has been agreed or disagreed upon within the confines of the negotiating table until the contract is signed.

All of us agree that it is for the good of the sport but sad to say we are all irrelevant with regard to the issue at hand. But you may ask, who is relevant? Floyd and his camp are relevant.

As i have adverted to in my other posts,too much has been said about this issue of random testing but we have yet to find one who has taken the cudgels to bring this one up to the proper forum. Floyd and his group is an interested party..Why not file a petition before the governing body to make this random testing mandatory to all concerned? Yes, parties may negotiate on whatever terms they want under the sun. People here are arguing why is it that Pac's camp asked for a penalty of 10M for every pound over the contracted weight? The amount may be too much but, still, asking for this, i.e. penalty per se, is not unprecedented. On the other hand, asking for extra testing in addition to the prevailing test IMHO is unprecedented, thus, the refusal..There is still time..If Floyd's camp is in good faith, why not file a petition before the governing body and start the application thereof with the Mosley-Berto fight. Do you think Pac's camp will oppose the petition? I don't think so because the petition will be all encompassing that it will bind all professional boxers, not only Floyd and Pac...

Thank you! That's what I've been saying from the jump. A simple solution would be for Mayweathers team to file a petition with the NSAC. But when asked, Keith Kizer said that there's no indication from Mayweather or GBP a petition will be filed. Why?

[Eagle Eye]

Thank you! That's what I've been saying from the jump. A simple solution would be for Mayweathers team to file a petition with the NSAC. But when asked, Keith Kizer said that there's no indication from Mayweather or GBP a petition will be filed. Why?

We can only speculate about their reasons..but i hope the intention to clean up the sport is not only for the show..because as far as i am concerned Floyd's camp started at the wrong foot..the end does not justify the means so to speak..As an aside ,my take is that Mosley has been proven to have used roids before and this has been medically established. So, why is it that there is no mention of the random blood testing on the Berto-Mosley fight.?

[mauers]

Test ALL or none at all.