I'm a bit puzzled, so after the 2nd Mosley-De La Hoya fight..........................

[Ishy Aytan]

The NSAC commision didnt find anything negative on Mosley in regards to all the balco stuff he'd been taking.

So the urine tests they did before and after the fight were bull**** because they didnt detect nothing from Mosleys body?


Is this correct? Can someone correct me if i am wrong?

[josenoway]

from what i understand, mosley was using the 'cream' and the 'clear' under conte and balco's supervision. the 'clear' was THG, a designer steroid rediscovered by patrick arnold from an old anabolic steroids manual. He manufactured it for conte who in turn distributed it to his athletes. Since it'd been forgotten for so many years, there was no test designed to detect it. The 'cream' was just a mix of testosterone/epitestosterone that you rubbed onto your skin. Its purpose was just to maintain the proper test/epitest ratio that doping agencies had established as 'normal' in athletes. Elevated levels of testosterone or basically out of wack ratios were red flags that the athlete was doping with PEDs. NSAC testing wasn't going to detect THG since nobody had a test for it. And the 'cream' maintained Mosley's test/epitest ratio within the normal range so that NSAC wouldnt be su****ious. It wasn't until Trevor Graham, track coach for Marion Jones, got into a fight with Victor Conte, and mailed a used syringe containing some THG to USADA's offices that it was first discovered. Even then, they had no idea what it was, until it was sent to the UCLA Olympics testing center in West Los Angeles (down the street from where I work coincidentally) and Don Catlin assembled a huge group of scientists to reverse engineer the substance. When they finally identified it as the long lost THG, they were able to design a test for it. Mosley was also apparently blood doping aka using EPO to stimulate red blood cell production, for whatever reason, NSAC urinalysis didnt detect it in 2003, but who knows, maybe the technology wasnt sensitive enough at the time. Its not possible to go back to a urine sample since you can only freeze it for like a year before it degrades. Thats probably why dirty athletes freak out about blood testing since you can apparently freeze/store blood for up to like 10 years and still be able to go back and test the sample. Imagine an athlete using a designer steroid like THG for which there is no test at the time, but is found like 5 years later. If you've got blood samples stored, you could theoretically go back and test for it.

[Go Blue]

"Traditional Boxing tests are a joke"

Victor Conte

[Ishy Aytan]

Okay understood