What would the P4P landscape look like if JL Castillo got the split w/Floyd?

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I know JL Castillo has been talked and talked about but Im curious to hear from all of view about this...

JL could have easily gotten the decision against PBF in their first fight...it is probably split as too who won the fight in the eyes of the public and even if you think Floyd won you would most likely have to admit that JL could have gotten the nod very easy.

So, lets imagine for a moment that JL split with PBF and then did exactly what he is doing now, where would you have him on your P4P list and would it change your mind as to who the favorite is on May 7 against Chico?

[jabsRstiff]

Well.....you shouldn't be allowing the judges to decide for you.

If you thought Castillo beat Floyd the first time, then YOU decide where he fits into the lb4lb landscape, & also what it means for his fight with Corrales.

Do you honestly believe what the judges decided that night changes Castillo's chances against Chico ?

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Well.....you shouldn't be allowing the judges to decide for you.

If you thought Castillo beat Floyd the first time, then YOU decide where he fits into the lb4lb landscape, & also what it means for his fight with Corrales.

Do you honestly believe what the judges decided that night changes Castillo's chances against Chico ?

Absolutely not, I think Castillo is in a different class than Chico, lets make that clear.

Chico will be outclassed in a more brutal fashion than he was with Floyd, I am simply asking others if there view would be different, my view is unwavering.

There are many people who think Corrales is going to walk right thru Floyd and my question is if JL got the nod against Floyd in one of the two fights would it change peoples perception of the upcoming fight?

In other words if JL had beaten Floyd and Floyd made Diego look like a first grader than I think two things would be different...
1)the vegas betting favorite would not be Diego and 2)Instead of a half of the people thinking Diego is going to win and half of the people thinking JL is going to win it would be in JL's favor by a considrable margin.

In terms of p4p, it was just a fight ago that JL started to break into some peoples top tens...he still has yet to make an appearance in many top tens...a win versus Floyd coupled with his work since then would have made him a shoe in top tenner and in my mind he would be right up there with the best in the world.

As for the judges deciding for you...cmon when you are fighting the most talented fighter in the world the chances of a ko are going to be tough...he beat Floyd that night and should have been given credit for it! I am not going to dump on PErnell Whitaker because he couldn't stop Chavez at the alamo, he won the fight and regardless of a stoppage he should have been given credit for that as well.

JL will knock down Corrales 5 times in route to a brutal stoppage...Corrales will certainly get in some shots but class will tell in this one just like it does at the Kentucky Derby...I have a hunch that Chico does not want to fight and is going to try and box his way to a decision...he may be a big puncher but he is a ***** too, ask Casamayor and his ex wife.

[jabsRstiff]

You're talking a numbers game.

I'm talking from a fan's perspective. IMO, that first fight coulda went either way...even though I gave it to Castillo by 1 point.
The judges flipping a few popints in the other direction shouldn't change what a knowledgable fan thinks of things today.

But, I do understand your point on how it would change things with the boys in Vegas.

I'm a huge Chico fan...& will always give him the puncher's chance, even with Castillo's awesome chin. That said, I'm picking Castillo to win, & am shocked that Chico would be the favorite.

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Absolutely not, I think Castillo is in a different class than Chico, lets make that clear.

Chico will be outclassed in a more brutal fashion than he was with Floyd, I am simply asking others if there view would be different, my view is unwavering.

There are many people who think Corrales is going to walk right thru Floyd and my question is if JL got the nod against Floyd in one of the two fights would it change peoples perception of the upcoming fight?

In other words if JL had beaten Floyd and Floyd made Diego look like a first grader than I think two things would be different...
1)the vegas betting favorite would not be Diego and 2)Instead of a half of the people thinking Diego is going to win and half of the people thinking JL is going to win it would be in JL's favor by a considrable margin.

In terms of p4p, it was just a fight ago that JL started to break into some peoples top tens...he still has yet to make an appearance in many top tens...a win versus Floyd coupled with his work since then would have made him a shoe in top tenner and in my mind he would be right up there with the best in the world.

As for the judges deciding for you...cmon when you are fighting the most talented fighter in the world the chances of a ko are going to be tough...he beat Floyd that night and should have been given credit for it! I am not going to dump on PErnell Whitaker because he couldn't stop Chavez at the alamo, he won the fight and regardless of a stoppage he should have been given credit for that as well.

JL will knock down Corrales 5 times in route to a brutal stoppage...Corrales will certainly get in some shots but class will tell in this one just like it does at the Kentucky Derby...I have a hunch that Chico does not want to fight and is going to try and box his way to a decision...he may be a big puncher but he is a ***** too, ask Casamayor and his ex wife.

see the bit ive highlighted...is that meant to be
"There are many people who think Corrales is going to walk right thru castillo (not floyd)" ???

[Alpha Male]

It would be no different than it is now. Floyd would still be #2p4p.

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It would be no different than it is now. Floyd would still be #2p4p.

Floyd is some peoples p4p #1 guy right now...and Catillo doesn't even make many expert lists.

Im not saying that Floyd's number would/should change...Im just saying that it is too bad that some in the sport are just starting to give JL the overdue credit he deserves...

JL should never be under a guy like Tarver or Glenn Johnson or Diego, ect.

[Alpha Male]

Floyd is some peoples p4p #1 guy right now...and Catillo doesn't even make many expert lists.

Im not saying that Floyd's number would/should change...Im just saying that it is too bad that some in the sport are just starting to give JL the overdue credit he deserves...

JL should never be under a guy like Tarver or Glenn Johnson or Diego, ect.

I agree. He doesn't get any credit. He should be above those guys.

[jabsRstiff]

Scap.....

Don't you think, due to time lines, that Castillo & Chico's fight(s) with CASAMAYOR may have more weight than their fights with Floyd ?

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Don't you think, due to time lines, that Castillo & Chico's fight(s) with CASAMAYOR may have more weight than their fights with Floyd ?

I think your right, the fact that both have fought Casamayor recently as opposed to Floyd in the distant past does hold a lot of weight....but...

Lets look at how they both handled Casamyor...

Diego was on the short end of a give and take brawl with Joel in their first fight and he decided that for him to win a rematch he needed to become the boxer rather than the puncher.

In that second fight Diego controlled the first half of the fight but in the championship rounds it was Casamayor who was taking control and it was Diego who ws holding on for dear life.

Now woth Castillo and Casmayor we saw the exact opposite...Joel was controlling the fight in the first half and when it came time for the championship rounds JL Castillo dished out the worst beating of Joel's career...I was amazed that Joel made it to the final bell, he was absolutely finished when the bell sounded, how he continued too stand was impressive to me.

Both fights could have gone either way and based on those fights I think we will see Diego come out and try and box for as long as he can and then try and hold on, Diego's fight plan will be a carbon copy of his second fight with Joel. I have to believe that after 6 or 7 rounds Diego is going to have too stand and fight and when he does we will see him up and down like a yoyo.

Jab, I know this is irrelevant in today's fight game but if Casamyor v. Diego 2 was a 15 round fight Joel wins that fight and if JL v. Casamayor was a 15 round fight there is no way Joel finishes that fight on his feet.

Back to your point, yeah the timeline makes a huge difference but I think based upon the opposition that both men have in common it is at least clear to me that one guy is in another class than the other...Im not saying Diego can't win, but in order for him to win he must box his ass off and hold on at the end. The big misconception in this fight too me is that everyne expects Corrales to sit and trade...if he is too win he better repeat his performance against Casamayor, sitting and trading is not going to lead to a victory for Chico and I think he knows it.