How Many People Knew NSAC Drug Testing Procedure?

[M.I.C.]

Who on the board knew prior to the Blood fiasco that the Nevada Commission only required urinalysis? I'll be honest I had no bloody clue and never paid it any attention. I figured fighters submitted to drug test and they tested blood, urine, saliva, whatever. So to think that blood testing is absurd is a new one on me and will take time getting used to.

For some fighters and Bob Arum, Roach, they react to blood testing as if its the silliest thing they've ever heard? To you all I ask, is it silly? I always assumed drug testing involved blood test anyway did you?

[MindBat]

I was aware that the NSAC only conducted urine testing to determine the presence of drugs in the system.

According to recent reports, they were willing to make concessions to add blood testing to their urine testing protocols, provided they were allowed sufficient time to implement the procedure before the Pac-May fight.

This brings into question the bloodwork procedure Manny had to undergo
with the NSAC before his loss to Morales.

It was a routine physical (including bloodwork) Manny underwent in 2005, and if I'm correct, it was to determine the presence of blood borne diseases/pathogens, and not a drug test, unless the NSAC perfromed blood tests for drugs and dropped the protocol in recent years.

The amount of blood drawn was 6cc's (a teaspoon) and it was not a random test.

[M.I.C.]

I was aware that the NSAC only conducted urine testing to determine the presence of drugs in the system.

According to recent reports, they were willing to make concessions to add blood testing to their urine testing protocols, provided they were allowed sufficient time to implement the procedure before the Pac-May fight.

This brings into question the bloodwork procedure Manny had to undergo
with the NSAC before his loss to Morales.

It was a routine physical (including bloodwork) Manny underwent in 2005, and if I'm correct, it was to determine the presence of blood borne diseases/pathogens, and not a drug test, unless the NSAC perfromed blood tests for drugs and dropped the protocol in recent years.

The amount of blood drawn was 6cc's (a teaspoon) and it was not a random test.

Good information

[Anti~Jalandoni]

I was aware that the NSAC only conducted urine testing to determine the presence of drugs in the system.

According to recent reports, they were willing to make concessions to add blood testing to their urine testing protocols, provided they were allowed sufficient time to implement the procedure before the Pac-May fight.

This brings into question the bloodwork procedure Manny had to undergo
with the NSAC before his loss to Morales.

It was a routine physical (including bloodwork) Manny underwent in 2005, and if I'm correct, it was to determine the presence of blood borne diseases/pathogens, and not a drug test, unless the NSAC perfromed blood tests for drugs and dropped the protocol in recent years.

The amount of blood drawn was 6cc's (a teaspoon) and it was not a random test.

wonder why manny wont agree...

[guzi815]

Innocent till proven guilty.

There's ways to get around a urinalysis...

(Most toxins can not be detected for 6 hours with "Q-Carb", but an experienced toxicologist can read the sugar levels and knows what's up!)

But a blood sample or hair follicle....you're done! Can't get away from that one!

[MindBat]

wonder why manny wont agree...

We'd all like know.

[ThunderWolf]

I was aware that the NSAC only conducted urine testing to determine the presence of drugs in the system....

The opposite actually. I read the Olympic style testing do blood test as a first step to detect drugs and steroids mainly because it is cheaper although less accurate. Urine tests are undertaken to those who fail blood tests, to determine a more accurate analysis and validity of the results of blood test. However, urine tests are more expensive.

Therefore Olympic style testing conduct blood tests for less expenses, as opposed to urine tests which is more accurate but 200% more expensive.

[DAN916]

They test for blood the thing is there test are scheduled and not at random times like the olympic style testing would be.

[MindBat]

The opposite actually. I read the Olympic style testing do blood test as a first step to detect drugs and steroids mainly because it is cheaper although less accurate. Urine tests are undertaken to those who fail blood tests, to determine a more accurate analysis and validity of the results of blood test. However, urine tests are more expensive.

Therefore Olympic style testing conduct blood tests for less expenses, as opposed to urine tests which is more accurate but 200% more expensive.

Some official statements for you to read:

Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA, told Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports that both urine and blood tests are needed to determine if a fighter is clean. "There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," Tygart said. "It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”

the schedule:

Tygert also added the schedule Arum is proposing won't work, because a fighter would have the advantage of knowing when he'd be tested. “That kind of window is totally unacceptable,” Tygart said. “It would provide a huge loophole for a cheater to step through and get away with cheating.”

Dr. Gary Wadler, an internal medicine physician and chairman of the World Anti-Doping Agency’s Prohibited List and Methods sub-committee, supported Tygar's position. “The fundamental principle is that the time and place of testing is in the domain of the governing body, not of the athlete,” Wadler told Yahoo! Sports. “It would lose all its validity if the athlete could pick and choose when he is going to be tested and for what he’s going to be tested for and how he’s going to be tested. They’re sophisticated enough now that if someone wanted to, you could play the calendar to your advantage.“

the influence of taking blood:

Victor Conte, the founder of Bay-Area Laboratory Cooperative (BALCO), said the tests would have no physical effect on either fighter. “That amount would be less than one-half of one percent (of the total blood in the body),” Conte told Yahoo! Sports. “It’s not going to have any effect, the drawing of blood. Could it have some mental effect? That’s the only down side of that. It’s certainly not going to have any physical effect, giving blood before a fight.”

[loui_ludwig]

I knew of urine testing only on boxing. Even when i was in the Marines, we get urine test 3-4x a year.