"The Bigger the LIE, the MORE people Believe It." - Joseph Goebbels

[DonTaseMeBrah]

No, I'm German... sorry if I'm a little offended by it dude... we have to fight with this for years now... for you it seems over the top... for me not

that explains everything.

[jkaisen41]

you are so fuvcking full of yourself. Interpreting such a vague ambiguous statement & trying to make it fit your argument.

Its basically arum, top rank vs al haymon & golden boy with a retired judge sitting as referee.

He said she said. That's what i gather from that statement. But jkaisen apparently is so smart that he can clearly see that arum is lying & al haymon & mayweather are the one in the right here.

So what you are saying is that you don't believe the judge huh???

Why did Arum wanted him then and praised him before??? I mean if the judge who was the refferee isn't there to be fair why do it then? Basically they ain't needed it then or? I mean we at the same point as we were before... I have no problem with Arum defending Pac and I have no problem with Haymon defending May... they suppossed to... but if a unbias guy who was the ref comes out and says this... ain't you think it carries some weight??? Probably not

I could ask you the same... why do you believe Arum? He never lied?

[jkaisen41]

that explains everything.

Do you have anything against Germans dude? Do you want to start like that now??? Before you couldn't show enough love to a **** and his sentiments about lies? But if somebody tells you who has to deal with it that it is out of taste... it doesn't bother you?

[DonTaseMeBrah]

So what you are saying is that you don't believe the judge huh???

Why did Arum wanted him then and praised him before??? I mean if the judge who was the refferee isn't there to be fair why do it then? Basically they ain't needed it then or? I mean we at the same point as we were before... I have no problem with Arum defending Pac and I have no problem with Haymon defending May... they suppossed to... but if a unbias guy who was the ref comes out and says this... ain't you think it carries some weight??? Probably not

I could ask you the same... why do you believe Arum? He never lied?

what did the judge say was a lie? ive been trying to ask you for the last freaking hour. tell me where the specific lie is?

Both are in good faith? Yet you interpret that as Arum is lying & Haymon is telling the truth?

At least im honest enough in saying that i dont know what the hell the judge is trying to say because his statement never gave out any specifics whether arum lied, what lie, what really happend, or Al Haymon is the truthful one.

[DonTaseMeBrah]

Do you have anything against Germans dude? Do you want to start like that now??? Before you couldn't show enough love to a **** and his sentiments about lies? But if somebody tells you who has to deal with it that it is out of taste... it doesn't bother you?

jesus christ almighty, how many times to i have to explain this to you?

i brought up goebbles because his quote resonated with the situation. Look at what's happening right now to a guy who has never failed a drug test & there isint a single iota of evidence against him. He is being defamed & slandered. You dont have to wait for a judges ruling to agree on that one.

Is mayweather senior the boxing equivalent of jose canseco? NO.

Is mayweather sr. an expert in steroid use? NO.

is mayweather sr. a witness to pacquiao taking steroids? NO.

is mayweather sr. providing solid evidence that pacquiao took steroids? No.

is there a balco type lab who specializes in steroids that has accused pac of taking steroids? NO.

is there a boxing trainer a la brian mcnamee with bloody gauzes accusing steroid use vs pac? NO.

The **** propaganda came into play because of the quote & the fact that the worst kind of human beings play this type of game. Is mayweather sr. an exterminator of a race of people? of course not.

but he's also a ex convict who used to sell crack ******* & his family has a long laundry list of brushes with the law.



they have compromised on everything.

pac wanted 60-40 his favor, fraud jr. wanted it in his favor= they compromised to 50-50.

top rank wanted wanted to take a look at dallas, golden boy said no lets take a look at staples = they compromised for las vegas mgm grand.

team pac wanted the weight closer to 140, team fraud jr. wanted it 154 & 10oz gloves = they compromised at 147 & 8oz gloves.

Why cant they compromise on the blood test? Pac is willing but Fraud jr. is not.

Dont get it twisted brah.

He said it because he was bitter, spiteful, vengeful, & the fact that pacquiao is taking all the glory & awards from his son who is most likely gonna fight him, he said the steroid statement as a way to denigrate pacquiao without a single iota of evidence. He looked bad as a trainer during the hatton fight & just wanted to slag on pacquiao. Its his word against theirs. Steroid accusations are in vogue now & its the new scarlet letter in the sports world.

The whole steroid testing came out of al haymon & leonard ellerbe. junior & senior i agree agree are not that smart.

Do i believe Pac is clean? of course. Is there a possibility that he is not? DEFINITELY. What is being lost here is the fact that pacquiao never refused to the blood work. He only refused the USADA style testing where htey can draw your blood anytime & anywhere they please.

As for the joseph goebbels comparison, there is none. i only used him because of his quote which resonated with me. I didnt choose it because i think the mayweathers are ****s. i chose it because of the quote not who said it. It just happend that a evil bastard said it.

Is senior a evil bastard? Not in the joseph goebbels level. But he aint a good guy either. Neither are his family. There was a thread that outlined all the mayweather family's brushes with the law including a child prostitution ring that senior or roger was involved & the shooting incident with senior & his brother & using jr. as a human shield, then there's this thing about jr.'s mother being a **********. I dont know if this is true but a user made a thread about it but got deleted.

For the record, i love germany & the german people. They have produced many intelligent scientist, musicians, polyglots, & athletes. Something is being lost in translation here or you are just trying too hard to defend Floyd & are trying too hard to twist other people's words around to fit your argument.

[MonsieurGeorges]

No, I'm German... sorry if I'm a little offended by it dude... we have to fight with this for years now... for you it seems over the top... for me not

It seems "over the top" for me? what are you talking about?

What does it have to do with you being German? So the guy posts a picture of Goebbels and you're too choked up with shame to understand the TS's point?

The threadstarter is simply using a historical reference to illustrate the point that when a figure in power, be it a politician or prominent figure in boxing such as Floyd Sr., presents the public with bold mistruths, it's possible that the audacity of the claims will sway people in that direction. A blatant steroid accusation is scandalous sure, but put it in a headline and everyone will be clicking that link. Put it in several headlines and people will start to believe it...see where i'm going with this?

I just like how you dog the other posters and ask them if they have ever been to school in their lives whilst your entire post is riddled with grammatical errors. keep it up, the forum needs more people like you

[jkaisen41]

what did the judge say was a lie? ive been trying to ask you for the last freaking hour. tell me where the specific lie is?

Both are in good faith? Yet you interpret that as Arum is lying & Haymon is telling the truth?

At least im honest enough in saying that i dont know what the hell the judge is trying to say because his statement never gave out any specifics whether arum lied, what lie, what really happend, or Al Haymon is the truthful one.

Yeah, because it was confidential... nobody was supposed to talk about any details of the meeting... with the exception of course of Arum.

It's nice that you honest enough to agree that you have no clue... but still arguing with me for an hour... like if you would knew ****... still wondering why you are a clown?

First you use a line from one of the most evil human beings that ever stepped foot on this earth... I guess you know what this sentence from him means in context... you such a smart ass... I guess you know... then you say that about child prostituation... I know it posted someone who was deleted by now... it doesn't stop you from repeating it without having any proof of that... I wonder why you did it then... because it wasn't your opinion like you stated.

Who said that Haymon said anything... the only thing he said was he ain't said Floyd should take it... he said he was right by not taking it and that's what the judge confirmed as he said there was never a protocol reached that was agreed to by any site... I'm German... if I don't understand english I have good reason for it... what's yours?

[jkaisen41]

It seems "over the top" for me? what are you talking about?

What does it have to do with you being German? So the guy posts a picture of Goebbels and you're too choked up with shame to understand the TS's point?

The threadstarter is simply using a historical reference to illustrate the point that when a figure in power, be it a politician or prominent figure in boxing such as Floyd Sr., presents the public with bold mistruths, it's possible that the audacity of the claims can often sway people in that direction. A blatant steroid accusation is scandalous sure, but put it in a headline and everyone will be clicking that link. Put it in several headlines and people will start to believe it...see where i'm going with this?

I just like how you dog the other posters and ask if them if they have ever been to school in their lives whilst your entire post is riddled with grammatical errors. keep it up, the forum needs more people like you

Hey, we can talk in German... let us see how smart are you? Finde den Fehlern in diesem Satz. Was ist los? Verstehst du es nicht? Aber sich lustig machen über jemanden, der nicht perfekt eine ausländische Sprache beherrscht?

I understand what he was trying to say... I say it again... it was for the guy UNDER HIM... I told him I thought that it was a little out of taste but I understood what he meant... I'm sorry, if we don't have the same test dude.

[DonTaseMeBrah]

It seems "over the top" for me? what are you talking about?

What does it have to do with you being German? So the guy posts a picture of Goebbels and you're too choked up with shame to understand the TS's point?

The threadstarter is simply using a historical reference to illustrate the point that when a figure in power, be it a politician or prominent figure in boxing such as Floyd Sr., presents the public with bold mistruths, it's possible that the audacity of the claims will sway people in that direction. A blatant steroid accusation is scandalous sure, but put it in a headline and everyone will be clicking that link. Put it in several headlines and people will start to believe it...see where i'm going with this?

I just like how you dog the other posters and ask them if they have ever been to school in their lives whilst your entire post is riddled with grammatical errors. keep it up, the forum needs more people like you

thank you very much bill. im glad somebody is coherent enough to know the difference.

[jkaisen41]

jesus christ almight, how many times to i have to explain this to you?





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For the record, i love germany & the german people. They have produced many intelligent scientist, musicians, polyglots, & athletes. Something is being lost in translation here or you are just trying too hard to defend Floyd & are trying too hard to twist other people's words around to fit your argument.

And I told you a millions times... that I understand your point but I still thought it was tasteless because of who Goebbels was...

The **** thing was for THE POSTER UNDER YOU who wrote Senior = Goebbels... not for you...

Everything else we talking about has nothing to do... as I said the school thing I mentioned was not to piss on you... I know that some ppl ain't went to school becasue I was wondering about the understanding of these lines... because it is pretty clear to everyone here what they meant... and I'm German and don't speak english good... but I understand it and it seemed you don't.

I don't need to defend Floyd... actually Pacquiao's camp is doing pretty good work themselves... I like Pacquiao too... but Arum is a clown... the same goes out to DLH, Schaefer, Roger M. etc. but I said it all along

And by the way I don't know why it is so hard for you to understand that a German or probably even a *** who reads that would find it offensive... after all you have nothing to do with that or?