more fuel to the fire

[ThePunchingBag]

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Blood is rarely collected in the major United States sports drug testing programs. At the Olympics, blood
is collected, but not as often as urine. For example, at the 2004 Athens Olympics, the laboratory receive
2926 urine samples and 691 blood samples [5]. Some federations, such as Union Cycliste Internationale
collect blood before races for health tests (not doping-control tests), and athletes with atypical values
deemed medically unsafe (eg, high hematocrit) are not allowed to compete [6].

Testing urine is better than testing blood for most prohibited substances (small molecules, molecular
weight less than ~800 atomic mass units). Urine collection is noninvasive and yields a large volume of
sample, with higher drug concentrations than in blood and with far fewer cells and proteins to complicate
extraction.

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Dr. Johnny Benjamin, sports journalist and Chairman of the Department of Orthopedic Surgery: "Blood screening is more sensitive (more likely to detect a banned substance), detects more banned substances, and is more difficult to beat through "masking" methods. Blood screening is the current standard for detecting abnormally elevated levels of synthetic human growth hormone (HGH)."

"Testing urine can find an illegal drop in a bucket. Testing blood can find an illegal drop in an Olympic-size swimming pool. Possibly far more important, current urine testing does NOT test for Human Growth Hormone (Hgh) and blood testing does."
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also this


http://www.doghouseboxing.com/DHB/Kim122509.htm#

nice try Dr. Benjamin might have some point but anti doping is not specialty. Dr. Catlin is the man when it comes to anti doping and testing.

[norrin]

For all you guys who love to talk about steroids and blood testing. You guys should read this. Is long but actually a good read on the debate of blood test vs urine test.

antidopingresearch.org/BeyondSportsDopingHeadlines.pdf

And here is Q&A with Dr. Don catlin who heads anti doping research. This is another blood-urine debate that relates to EPO

letsrun.com/2003/epoqa.php

So have fun...

I am sorry but your articles are outdated. The first article dated 2007 (fairly recent) is written for a pediatric magazine and is centered on youth in sports. You should hit the link on the article and go to the website, read some of the articles, and new testing developments over the years. There is an article at:

renidrott.se/arkiv/Catlin_Fitch_Ljung_Doping_in_sport_full_paper.pdf

It is a hard read because of the terminology but it gives you the developments and testing methods in doping technology.

[Mr. Herbert]

Can someone sum it up?

[p4p-champ]

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/DHB/Kim122509.htm#

MaxBoxing (Dec 25, 2009)

Accoring to Victor Conte,"Traditional testing in boxing, it's basically worthless other than the detection of some types of stimulant, before and after a fight."

"In my opinion, blood testing for the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight is more important for detecting possible blood doping or use of EPO than it is for human growth hormone."

"Creams, transdurmals, clear the fastest. Orals, would be next. Water-based drugs- including testosterone- would be next, then the oil-based. So some of these can clear in a matter of hours and days," explained Conte."So if you know when you're going to be tested a week out, you go off the use of oral testosterone, for example, you're going to test negative. So that is really an issue."

[Chuckguy]

For all you guys who love to talk about steroids and blood testing. You guys should read this. Is long but actually a good read on the debate of blood test vs urine test.

http://www.antidopingresearch.org/BeyondSportsDopingHeadlines.pdf

And here is Q&A with Dr. Don catlin who heads anti doping research. This is another blood-urine debate that relates to EPO

http://www.letsrun.com/2003/epoqa.php

So have fun...

Yeah but the fact that manny refuses to test is just fine in our eyes right
It leaves no doubt and brings up no suspision at all.
haha

Im laghing at both sides but I have to admit you *******s are a lot funnier

Ok now ask yourself this
lets flip the script
Lets say Manny was asking Floyd to test by USADA standards and Floyd refused
you idiots would have a field day raggin and raping may a new one
oh but its ok because its manny pac
hahaha
keep em coming tards im at work and really bored so it keeps me entertained

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http://www.doghouseboxing.com/DHB/Kim122509.htm#

MaxBoxing (Dec 25, 2009)

Accoring to Victor Conte,"Traditional testing in boxing, it's basically worthless other than the detection of some types of stimulant, before and after a fight."

"In my opinion, blood testing for the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight is more important for detecting possible blood doping or use of EPO than it is for human growth hormone."

"Creams, transdurmals, clear the fastest. Orals, would be next. Water-based drugs- including testosterone- would be next, then the oil-based. So some of these can clear in a matter of hours and days," explained Conte."So if you
know when you're going to be tested a week out, you go off the use of oral testosterone, for example, you're going to test negative. So that is really an issue."

That was Conte's opinion. The article was a published research study which is based on FACTS not OPINIon clearly indicates that urine test detects EPO better than blood test and Dr. Catlin who is the godfather of all anti doping also said that.

PAC has agreed to unlimited random urine test so that pretty much eliminated all the notions that he's using steroids and EPO.

All that leaves HGH. HGH does very little. There are are a lob of misleading information about HGH because Internet sites who sell them miscontrued it. They put some facts about muscle growth and anti-aging and they add some wonderful words to market this stuff. In reality is there is not a single published research study that support this claims.

Arum was right all along, Floyd demands are unnecessary. Arum proved that he did not go to Harvard for nothing.

Now of course people who knew little stuff about this stuff will be su****ious. Judgemental and open minded ones will unfairly assumed Pac is using something and unfaily accused him for roids. That's part of human nature.

Journalist should interview and asked Dr. Catlin. His opinion which based on all his studies matter the most more than anyone in the world.

[hammertorch]

Nothing new to me, but you know these Mayflowers have the attention span of a 4 yr old with ADHD. They're not gonna read all that. I'm on my iPhone so I can't copy this paragraph and paste it here, but on page 5 where it begins with "Blood is rarely collected..." you should put that on here. That says it all.

Wow! Honestly you reached page 5???

i was not even close finishing the first paragraph....

[p4p-champ]

That was Conte's opinion. The article was a published research study which is based on FACTS not OPINIon clearly indicates that urine test detects EPO better than blood test and Dr. Catlin who is the godfather of all anti doping also said that.

PAC has agreed to unlimited random urine test so that pretty much eliminated all the notions that he's using steroids and EPO.

All that leaves HGH. HGH does very little. There are are a lob of misleading information about HGH because Internet sites who sell them miscontrued it. They put some facts about muscle growth and anti-aging and they add some wonderful words to market this stuff. In reality is there is not a single published research study that support this claims.

Arum was right all along, Floyd demands are unnecessary. Arum proved that he did not go to Harvard for nothing.

Now of course people who knew little stuff about this stuff will be su****ious. Judgemental and open minded ones will unfairly assumed Pac is using something and unfaily accused him for roids. That's part of human nature.

Journalist should interview and asked Dr. Catlin. His opinion which based on all his studies matter the most more than anyone in the world.

A lot of athletes out there have Victor Conte to thank for shattering all sorts of records from numerous different sports (not that i condone that sort of thing). They went years using stuff without being detected. Conte is the godfather of performance enhancers, I'd take his word/opinion any day of the week. If this man says using Blood samples is a better way to detect things, then I'll believe him.

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why not use both
Testing urine is better than testing blood for most not all prohibited substances why not use both and urine test can be beat while your using


Cheating the tests
Athletes seeking to avoid testing positive for doping use various methods to cheat on the drug tests. The most common methods include:

Urine replacement, which involves replacing dirty urine with clean urine from someone who is not taking banned substances. Urine replacement can be done by catheterization or with a prosthetic penis such as The Original Whizzinator.
Diuretics, used to cleanse the system before having to provide a sample.
Blood transfusions, which increase the blood’s oxygen carrying capacity, in turn increasing endurance without the presence of drugs that could trigger a positive test result.[citation needed]
Drinking lots of water the day before and up to the drug test itself