Opinion: Why Floyd Will Get Knocked Out By Pacquiao

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  • jqSide
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    #11
    Originally posted by norrin
    Stylistically, RJJ and Mayweather are totally different. RJJ is an amazing athlete that could have played sports on a professional level in basketball (semi pro/don't know about pro) or boxing. He also has above average skills in boxing but his athleticism is what sets him apart.

    Mayweather is a gifted athlete and a very skilled boxer. His defensive skills are unbelievable and he is capable of thinking inside the ring. Boxing is a lot more than just slugging or hitting. It is about technique and the ability "not" to be hit that is what separates the great ones from the good ones.
    Then why in the world is he avoiding the fight by changing the rules all of a sudden? Because he knew his style will not stand against Pacquiao. The same reason applies to all the others he has avoided, not only Pacquiao. He might get away with 2 or 3 punches, but the next 2 or 3 will going to hit him with a guy like Pacquiao.

    Floyd is scared to death. Not for any physical damage or anything. He just can't take the thought of seeing himself on the floor with the referee counting him out. His big ego just can't take it.

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      #12
      I just don't see how an older, slower Floyd can withstand the barrage of punches he will be seeing from Pac. This is not Hatton or Gatti, we're talking about a guy who is arguably quicker than he is and definitely hits harder. This guy hits from all angles, yet he is quick enough to get out of the way before the opponent even thinks about countering. Both Diaz and DLH said that they felt like there was more than one Pac in the ring with them. Floyd would not have time to throw enough punches to win by points and he is probably not gonna KO Pac.

      I've been saying this the whole time, Floyd does not want this fight. This was evident when the 3/13 date was proposed. He figured Pac would definitely decline because he was inj and he had a pending election. This way he can say "I challenged Pac, he declined, time to move on." And another thing, if he really really wanted this fight, why would he make that press release about the blood testing? Knowing damn well that this could jeopardize the fight? This thing was doomed from the beginning.

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        #13
        Originally posted by Deedubbzz07
        I've been saying this the whole time, Floyd does not want this fight. This was evident when the 3/13 date was proposed. He figured Pac would definitely decline because he was inj and he had a pending election. This way he can say "I challenged Pac, he declined, time to move on." And another thing, if he really really wanted this fight, why would he make that press release about the blood testing? Knowing damn well that this could jeopardize the fight? This thing was doomed from the beginning.
        It is doomed because Mayweather is throwing roadblocks here and there. It's been obvious to me from the time Manny accepted the March 13 challenge. You'd think that if you really want to fight you'd welcome such news.

        The normal thing would have been to set the conditions first (drug testing, etc.) then the date.

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          #14
          Pac should just say he doesn't fight cowards and try his luck with Mosley. That would be the sickest fight!!

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            #15
            I'd love to see FM takes on Mosley first before the Pacman.

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              #16
              Originally posted by JQside
              It is doomed because Mayweather is throwing roadblocks here and there. It's been obvious to me from the time Manny accepted the March 13 challenge. You'd think that if you really want to fight you'd welcome such news.

              The normal thing would have been to set the conditions first (drug testing, etc.) then the date.
              If they somehow they get through this blood ****, I guarantee something else will come up from Floyd. There is no way Floyd is getting in the ring with Manny. He's gonna do everything he can to get out of this fight.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Deedubbzz07
                I just don't see how an older, slower Floyd can withstand the barrage of punches he will be seeing from Pac. This is not Hatton or Gatti, we're talking about a guy who is arguably quicker than he is and definitely hits harder. This guy hits from all angles, yet he is quick enough to get out of the way before the opponent even thinks about countering. Both Diaz and DLH said that they felt like there was more than one Pac in the ring with them. Floyd would not have time to throw enough punches to win by points and he is probably not gonna KO Pac.

                I've been saying this the whole time, Floyd does not want this fight. This was evident when the 3/13 date was proposed. He figured Pac would definitely decline because he was inj and he had a pending election. This way he can say "I challenged Pac, he declined, time to move on." And another thing, if he really really wanted this fight, why would he make that press release about the blood testing? Knowing damn well that this could jeopardize the fight? This thing was doomed from the beginning.
                Come on man, atleast know the facts. Even most Pac fans know that the date came from the Pac side because of the Elections. Floyd didnt want the fight that early.

                As for what you said in the 1st paragraph, Pac isnt those guys but Floyd damn sure aint the guys Pac has been fighting either. Please dont tell me what Diaz and "that" Oscar said because both guys were as slow as anyone in boxing. The speed advantage by far goes to Floyd in this matchup. Its not about who's faster. That can be debated and you can argue Pac but you cant argue who has been in the ring with faster guys. Floyd fought very fast Southpaws in Mitchell, Corley, and Zab. The fastest guys Pac has ever fought is a Cotto or JMM who we already saw is light years slower thant Floyd. Thats going to be a huge difference in this fight.

                On top of that, Pac has been in the ring with some of the worst defensive guys in boxing. Floyd's D will be a shock to him. Floyd is the counter puncher alot so this fight wont be new to him but the last few guys Pac has been fighting have all tried to come at him and impose there size on him. He hasnt had to come at anyone since the JMM fight and that didnt go so easy for him. Floyd can be exactly like JMM except he's way better than JMM in every single catagory

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by JQside
                  Floyd's style won't work with Pacman in the ring. It's not only the Pac he is avoiding. I have always likened him to Roy Jones. They don't really take boxing seriously, believe it or not. It's pure entertainment for them. That's the main reason why they retire early. They come out of it when they knew they could employ their style the way they want it.
                  Are you serious? No One in boxing trains harder or is smarter in the ring than Floyd..Stop showing you boxing ignorance. Jones was a strictly flash and speed fighter. Roy was always an exciting fighter but has no boxing smarts. No one is smarter in the ring that Floyd..Period. Pac will not be able to land constantly on Floyd. Pac will have to reach in to hit Floyd. Wake up. How will Pac overcome his 5 inch reach disadvantage and his inability to cut off the ring? How will Pac avoid Floyds precision counters? What will his plan B be when his aggressiveness fails and his fast hands cant find Floyd? Easy work for Floyd easy work. I'll be right here after the fight to see what you haters will come up with next.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by DLT
                    Come on man, atleast know the facts. Even most Pac fans know that the date came from the Pac side because of the Elections. Floyd didnt want the fight that early.

                    As for what you said in the 1st paragraph, Pac isnt those guys but Floyd damn sure aint the guys Pac has been fighting either. Please dont tell me what Diaz and "that" Oscar said because both guys were as slow as anyone in boxing. The speed advantage by far goes to Floyd in this matchup. Its not about who's faster. That can be debated and you can argue Pac but you cant argue who has been in the ring with faster guys. Floyd fought very fast Southpaws in Mitchell, Corley, and Zab. The fastest guys Pac has ever fought is a Cotto or JMM who we already saw is light years slower thant Floyd. Thats going to be a huge difference in this fight.

                    On top of that, Pac has been in the ring with some of the worst defensive guys in boxing. Floyd's D will be a shock to him. Floyd is the counter puncher alot so this fight wont be new to him but the last few guys Pac has been fighting have all tried to come at him and impose there size on him. He hasnt had to come at anyone since the JMM fight and that didnt go so easy for him. Floyd can be exactly like JMM except he's way better than JMM in every single catagory
                    I don't know if the speed difference is that much. When you say Floyd's speed surpasses Pac's by far, that's a bit much. The speed between the 2 is debatable, but you have to admit Floyd has slowed down as he's gone up in weight and age. His hands are definitely a liability. Old Floyd was a master at capalizing when his opponents were hurt I'm not sure if he'll be able to hurt Pac. Pac would definitely force him back the entire fight and he will get hit with clean counters but I don't think it will be enough. Hatton's pressure was ineffective but it was obviously bugging Floyd. Pac puts pressure but he isn't constantly moving fwd. His lateral movement and eractic workrate could be too much for him to handle. I think he will be forced to be on the defensive the whole 12 rds, if it gets to that. Your theory that Manny has never been in the ring with someone like Floyd is a valid one, but it goes both ways.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Deedubbzz07
                      I don't know if the speed difference is that much. When you say Floyd's speed surpasses Pac's by far, that's a bit much. The speed between the 2 is debatable, but you have to admit Floyd has slowed down as he's gone up in weight and age. His hands are definitely a liability. Old Floyd was a master at capalizing when his opponents were hurt I'm not sure if he'll be able to hurt Pac. Pac would definitely force him back the entire fight and he will get hit with clean counters but I don't think it will be enough. Hatton's pressure was ineffective but it was obviously bugging Floyd. Pac puts pressure but he isn't constantly moving fwd. His lateral movement and eractic workrate could be too much for him to handle. I think he will be forced to be on the defensive the whole 12 rds, if it gets to that. Your theory that Manny has never been in the ring with someone like Floyd is a valid one, but it goes both ways.
                      I didnt say Floyd was faster, let alone by far. You have to reread it carefully. I said that the speed advantage goes to Floyd by far but its not there speed I was talking about. I said that can be debated and alot of people will even say Pac is faster. I said the speed advantage goes to Floyd by far because he has faced fast Southpaws and even super fast guys like Zab while Pac never has faced anyone with real speed. You can spar with guys like Khan & Porter but I still think its not the same as a real fight and Floyd will be better prepared for the the speed of Pac than Pac will be for the speed of Floyd. I still think he will win because of a combination of the speed thing I talked about along with his defense and awearness.

                      As great as Pac has been, his opponents have had bad awearness. I think Floyd's awearness will allow him to jump out alot when Pac wants to throw instead of running into clean hard shots like Cotto did and he will never be caught with his hands down like Hatton did. Pac is great though, he's a fast starter, and he's a Southpaw so thats why I do say that Pac has a chance to stop Floyd early. He has to. For Pac to win he either has to stop Floyd within the first 4 rounds or hurt him so bad that he is dazed for a long time. To me, even if Pac is up 3-0 or 3-1 and has landed some hard shots but nothing that really dazes Floyd then I think Floyd will adjust and shut him out the rest of the fight. His Southpaw style, speed, pressure, and fast starting ability could affect Floyd alot early but I think Floyd will figure him out after the 4th round and then its over. Thats the best case for Pac.

                      The worst case is that Floyd could come out fast with the jab and I think it could be a whitwash. Its hard to tell but I think if Floyd is ready from the jump then he should definatly win but there is like a 20% chance that Pac could catch him with some Southpaw **** early before he gets warmed up. Floyd is so good on D that he will be able to take away Pac's right hook. I dont think that will be much of a factor but that straight left could catch Floyd between the guard and wreck him if he's not careful.

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