Hate to break it to the tards on this forum, but the general consensus is that Pac...

[S.G.]

Again I've been waiting for this whole thread for FLOYD JR's accusation. Direct accusation.

Dirk says it happened, but I can't recall. Anyone got a link?

Mayweather has been pointedly quiet during this whole stand-off, I'm assuming, with the direct intention of avoiding getting his ass sued. He'd have to be some kind of mastermind to have forseen Pacquiao and Arum tying themselves up in knots like they have.

[Lead Cenobite]

I hate to break it ot you,,,but you are a idiot. Sorry man but someone had to tell you!

Awesome refutation of facts and logic from a guy called "Pac boy". Man I sure am humbled by your objective use of facts. Good job!

[S A M U R A I]

Mayweather has been pointedly quiet during this whole stand-off, I'm assuming, with the direct intention of avoiding getting his ass sued. He'd have to be some kind of mastermind to have forseen Pacquiao and Arum tying themselves up in knots like they have.

Are you guys forgetting it's the holidays? If Floyd has any sense whatsoever he will be chilling at home with his family. Same as Ariza, who we haven't heard anything from.



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[ThePunchingBag]

Random testing is a joke.

All Floyd had to agree to was pretty much the same terms nearly ALL the WW fights before him did, but no. *****bitch has to be special.

He wants to do some unheard of testing after he said that he'd beat Pac easier than Marquez.

Unless he gets his way *****bitch Floyd doesn't want to fight.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Moral: anti-cheating
Intellectual: logic is in his favour. Pacquiao's camp have made a point of contradicting factual reasoning and logic since this issue was born (see: here for some examples)

Also, Floyds stance is not anti-cheating. Gimmie a break. Its anti-Pacquiao. Otherwise he wouldve made his 40 other opponents undergo this testing.

[Lead Cenobite]

I'll tell you what makes the penalty a moot point altogether -- the fact that Floyd has never had problems making 147. This demand is the equivalent of saying "if an asteroid hits Earth within the next 15 minutes, you have to pay me 10 million", IE; it's not gonna ****ing happen. This is why when people say "Ohhhh, but Floyd agreed to Manny's weight penalty demand", I say "shut the **** up!"

Why wouldn't he agree to it? He has nothing to worry about, he can make weight easily, therefore it's not a real demand, is it.

And asking for random blood tests isn't really a demand now is it? Not to anyone reasonable.

But waits he's "afraid of needles" no wait it's "he's superstitious" no no it's uh..."he is afraid of being drained" no no that's not it...uh what was the correct answer again?

[S.G.]

I'll tell you what makes the penalty a moot point altogether -- the fact that Floyd has never had problems making 147. This demand is the equivalent of saying "if an asteroid hits Earth within the next 15 minutes, you have to pay me 10 million", IE; it's not gonna ****ing happen. This is why when people say "Ohhhh, but Floyd agreed to Manny's weight penalty demand", I say "shut the **** up!"

Why wouldn't he agree to it? He has nothing to worry about, he can make weight easily, therefore it's not a real demand, is it.

On the flipside; Manny has never tested for PEDs before. He's clean, so why wouldn't he agree to extra testing? It's not even a real demand.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

And asking for random blood tests isn't really a demand now is it? Not to anyone reasonable.

Considering its never been done anytime for anyone in the history of boxing?

[Maidana vs Rios]

Just like it is unproven that Pacquiao is using PEDs, it is unproven that he is clean of certain PEDs. And unprovable until he submits to more thorough testing; which he refuses to do.

You can say the same thing about every fighter that will participate and has participated in a fight without Olympic style blood testing. That's every fight in history.

...And ask yourself this; who benefits more from disallowing the situation to be resolved through the collection of empirical evidence: a cheater or someone who is completely innocent?

Why the presumption of guilt for this one fighter? Where's the evidence?

A libel lawsuit will get no where by the way.

I'm starting to doubt that. Arguably, he can prove:

1. Defamatory statements

2. Publication

3. Actual Malice (statements were made with reckless disregard of whether they were false or not)

4. Damages (his public rep is in the toilet and still flushing)

[S.G.]

Also, Floyds stance is not anti-cheating. Gimmie a break. Its anti-Pacquiao. Otherwise he wouldve made his 40 other opponents undergo this testing.

anti-Pacquiao cheating.

Do you think Mayweather seriously predicted Arum and Pacquiao having a **** fit to this degree over the simple issue of extra testing?

Arum & Pac's reactions are what've legitimised the crackhead's accusations.