Greatest Boxer of All Time: Manny "Pacman" Pacquiao

[LeeVanCleef]

**** this thread !!

You're not doing your idol any favors by typing like you're on a ROID RAGE.

Relax.

[Adamantium]

Again, you say that. But how come Pac is accused of roids then even before he turned down PBFs requests of tests? What has manny done that is SO IMPRESSIVE that he is accused of drugs?

Pac is someone who can be called the greatest of any era. Boxers of those days had no choice to have that many fights. Thats how it was back then.

As a general rule when a fighter moves up the weight classes two things happen:
1: Their ko ratio drops as the bigger guys can take their punchers
2: A fighter becomes slower as he carries the extra mass.

According to Mayweather sr, Paulie and who ever else, these thing haven't happened to Pac, so they believe there has to be a reason for them.

Pac cannot be called the greatest fighter of any era for two reasons:
1: He doesn't have the resume- you cannot compare guys like Morales to the Foremans and Listons of the world
2: He dosen't have the skills- Pac until recently was a one handed fighter, he doesnt have the skill set of a lot of the old guys. Guys who could fight going forwards and backwards, shoulder roll, feint, had a wider range of punches etc.

[hugh grant]

As a general rule when a fighter moves up the weight classes two things happen:
1: Their ko ratio drops as the bigger guys can take their punchers
2: A fighter becomes slower as he carries the extra mass.

According to Mayweather sr, Paulie and who ever else, these thing haven't happened to Pac, so they believe there has to be a reason for them.

Pac cannot be called the greatest fighter of any era for two reasons:
1: He doesn't have the resume- you cannot compare guys like Morales to the Foremans and Listons of the world
2: He dosen't have the skills- Pac until recently was a one handed fighter, he doesnt have the skill set of a lot of the old guys. Guys who could fight going forwards and backwards, shoulder roll, feint, had a wider range of punches etc.

The bold bit is rubbish. He beats Cotto like no other WW ever did and that is why Cotto had such a fearsome reputation. And the way in which he beat Hatton and DLH. I didnt see Ali beat Frazier that way.

Ali was only a long range fighter, and wasnt a great in close fighter so what you say fails again. Pac is doing things no one has been able to ability wise, so you arre trying to be a salesman but failing.
Pac isnt a one hand fighter now though is he? He is improving along the way. He didnt have an amatuer career so he is work in progress.

[hugh grant]

As a general rule when a fighter moves up the weight classes two things happen:
1: Their ko ratio drops as the bigger guys can take their punchers
2: A fighter becomes slower as he carries the extra mass.

According to Mayweather sr, Paulie and who ever else, these thing haven't happened to Pac, so they believe there has to be a reason for them.

etc.

So ability wise Pac is the greatest, because he carried his power up the weights even though most of pacs opponents talk about his speed and not seeing his fast punches so were knocked out. So its not so much power but the type of punches pac is throwing. His boxing ability in genral has improved with Roach.
Pac probably has got slower as hes moved up. But so have his opponents who were big already. But he is using his speed more intelligently.

But Paul already said Pac is the greatest boxer who ever lived.

[Adamantium]

The bold bit is rubbish. He beats Cotto like no other WW ever did and that is why Cotto had such a fearsome reputation. And the way in which he beat Hatton and DLH. I didnt see Ali beat Frazier that way.

Ali was only a long range fighter, and wasnt a great in close fighter so what you say fails again. Pac is doing things no one has been able to ability wise, so you arre trying to be a salesman but failing.
Pac isnt a one hand fighter now though is he? He is improving along the way. He didnt have an amatuer career so he is work in progress.

Is this the same Cotto who almost got koed by Torres and Corley at 140. Who got a gift against Clottey. Who fights with his elbows out, gloves by his ears and head tilted forwards, which makes his susceptible to body shots and uppercuts. Cotto for your information is not a ATG maybe a HOFer. He has clearly been on the slide since taking beatings from Mosely, Torres, Clottely and Margarito, who more than likely had plaster in his wraps.

Hatton cannot fight, his best win is over a past prime Kosta. A fight in which Hatton low blowed, rabbit punched, elbowed, clinched and headbutted Kosta with the ref turning a blind eye to it. Roach himself said that Hatton was on the slide after the Mayweather fight.

DLH was past prime and weight drained, just imagine trying to make a weight you haven't been for 10 years. When was the last time DLH won a meaningful fight anyway?

Your comments on Ali show just have little you know about boxing. So I wont comment on them.

What things is Pac doing, that no one else has done before? He basically has two punches, the straight left hand and now a right hook.

[hugh grant]

I dont see why its OK for Paul Maligaggi and PBF to say Pac is the greatest boxer who ever lived, buts its not OK for *******s to say it.
Not that im a ******* by the way. Its just that *****s are getting on my nerves and i side with the more rational fans and boxer of course.

[hugh grant]

Is this the same Cotto who almost got koed Torres and Corley at 140. Who got a gift against Clottey. Who fights with his elbows out, gloves by his ears and head tilted forwards, which makes his susceptible to body shots and uppercuts. Cotto for your information is not a ATG maybe a HOFer. He has clearly been on the slide since taking beatings from Mosely, Torres, Clottely and Margarito, who more than likely had plaster in his wraps.

Hatton cannot fight, his best win is over a past prime Kosta. A fight in which Hatton low blowed, rabbit punched, elbowed, clinched and headbutted Kosta with the ref turning a blind eye to it. Roach himself said that Hatton was on the slide after the Mayweather fight.

DLH was past prime and weight drained, just imagine trying to make a weight you haven't been for 10 years. When was the last time DLH won a meaningful fight anyway?

Your comments on Ali show just have little you know about boxing. So I wont comment on them.

What things are Pac doing, that know one else has done before? He basically has two punches, the straight left hand and now a right hook.

Ive heard all your excuses all before. So why all the accusations of roids you havent answered yet? You Pac haters dismiss what Pac has achieved, so why accuse him of roids when he beat **** opponents is basically what im getting at?

Again, full of irony Pac haters. Now they are saying Pac hasnt achieved anything really great.
Jealousy of the great things pac has achieved. I already know.

[Adamantium]

Ive heard all your excuses all before. So why all the accusations of roids you havent answered yet? You Pac haters dismiss what Pac has achieved, so why accuse him of roids when he beat **** opponents is basically what im getting at?

Again, full of irony Pac haters. Now they are saying Pac hasnt achieved anything really great.
Jealousy of the great things pac has achieved. I already know.

Ive already answered that question in my previous post. In fact all you have to do is read any of Paulies interviews on the subject.

Hardly a Pac hater, I have never trashed him on this forum.

You are going to have to do a lot better than dlh, Hatton and Cotto to say that a fighter is the greatest of any era. None of those guys are atgs so how can beating them make Pac a atg? How long have you been watching boxing for anyway?

[Adamantium]

I dont see why its OK for Paul Maligaggi and PBF to say Pac is the greatest boxer who ever lived, buts its not OK for *******s to say it.
Not that im a ******* by the way. Its just that *****s are getting on my nerves and i side with the more rational fans and boxer of course.

Neither Paulie or Mayweather have said that Pac is the greatest boxer that has ever lived. A lot of boxers have been accused of roids, that doesn't mean they are great boxers. Look at Evander Holyfield he was accused of roids in the early 90's, his heavyweight career is hardly legendary.

[Adamantium]

So ability wise Pac is the greatest, because he carried his power up the weights even though most of pacs opponents talk about his speed and not seeing his fast punches so were knocked out. So its not so much power but the type of punches pac is throwing. His boxing ability in genral has improved with Roach.
Pac probably has got slower as hes moved up. But so have his opponents who were big already. But he is using his speed more intelligently.

But Paul already said Pac is the greatest boxer who ever lived.

Hardly a valid criteria for saying a fighter is the greatest.