..This STEROIDS Issue Really Doesn't Matter The Way You Think It Does...

[S A M U R A I]

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Nobody "expects" anything from you.

Keep speaking in pictures, one-liners, or whatever you want. The opening post was great and only took about 5 minutes to read. Props to ..Calderownz...



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[Eric_Teaman]

Go Olympic Style testing and fight Bradley to prove a point.

[Go Blue]

Then, answer this question...

Floyd Lovers, will they ever REALLY drop these charges? Honestly?


Weren't they the same people that treated Floyd Sr. like a profit BEFORE Manny had a chance to act 'su****iously'?

This is simple..Manny take a random blood test...come out clean.

Charges over.

[THe TRiNiTY]

It may not be fair but it has to be done. If there was this much on the line then I would do what I can to prove my innocence.

I don't think your analogies quite work as probabation officers and sex offender lists do not offer you the opportunity to scientifically prove yourself innocent.

The analogy still works. The fact that he can prove himself innocent or guilty doesn't change the analogy. He's still being treated like a criminal. If you want one that fits all facets regardless of their relevance, consider it this way.

If your wife was murdered and they suspected you, you'd do whatever you could to prove you were innocent. You'd go to court/trial, you'd take a lie detector test, anything. Because you HAVE to.

You'd still feel that you were violated and that your morals were questioned.

In this case, however, he doesn't have to stand for this. He doesn't have to let them question his legacy while still trying to make money off of him. That takes a brave man.

We as a society could use more like him.

If, of course, he's cheating --and I don't know -- then this all is for nothing. But, if he isn't, walking away from this money and a fight of this magnitude, though depriving us of a GREAT fight on paper, you still have to respect the man.

I'm a guy that goes on evidence. There has been NO evidence that he's EVER cheated. Not even in the ring is he considered a dirty fighter, for that matter. He's never failed a test. Never wrapped his hands incorrectly. Never used the wrong gear. He sadly BOWS whenever an accidental foul is commited on EITHER part. Does this mean he's clean? Of course not.

But until actual EVIDENCE comes up, NOT SU****ION which doesn't hold up in any respectable form of court, it aids his claims more then hurts them.

You can be su****ious of someone, that doesn't mean they have to please you and go against they feel is right. He doesn't, I wouldn't and no one should.

[Go Blue]

The analogy still works. The fact that he can prove himself innocent or guilty doesn't change the analogy. He's still being treated like a criminal. If you want one that fits all facets regardless of their relevance, consider it this way.

If your wife was murdered and they suspected you, you'd do whatever you could to prove you were innocent. You'd go to court/trial, you'd take a lie detector test, anything. Because you HAVE to.

You'd still feel that you were violated and that your morals were questioned.

In this case, however, he doesn't have to stand for this. He doesn't have to let them question his legacy while still trying to make money off of him. That takes a brave man.

We as a society could use more like him.

If, of course, he's cheating --and I don't know -- then this all is for nothing. But, if he isn't, walking away from this money and a fight of this magnitude, though depriving us of a GREAT fight on paper, you still have to respect the man.

I'm a guy that goes on evidence. There has been NO evidence that he's EVER cheated. Not even in the ring is he considered a dirty fighter, for that matter. He's never failed a test. Never wrapped his hands incorrectly. Never used the wrong gear. He sadly BOWS whenever an accidental foul is commited on EITHER part. Does this mean he's clean? Of course not.

But until actual EVIDENCE comes up, NOT SU****ION which doesn't hold up in any respectable form of court, it aids his claims more then hurts them.

You can be su****ious of someone, that doesn't mean they have to please you and go against they feel is right. He doesn't, I wouldn't and no one should.

This a demand that the fighter hes fighting asked him to do...and Floyd also is doing it.

If you are clean like Floyd is...you could careless about taking the tests they wont find **** anyway......right?

Take the tests get the fight signed.

PERIOD.

[THe TRiNiTY]

This is simple..Manny take a random blood test...come out clean.

Charges over.

Why should Manny worry about what you or anyone else charges him with, when it's his principals that he'd be jepordizing? Trust me, he doesn't need the money and he can still make MULTI-MILLIONS in other fights. He doesn't need to be slandered and made out to be a potential CRIMINAL threat (that is what this also claims), just to please you, fight someone that disrespects him in the first place a lot of money and feel morally challenged in the end. Not worth it, not to me.

[THe TRiNiTY]

This a demand that the fighter hes fighting asked him to do...and Floyd also is doing it.

If you are clean like Floyd is...you could careless about taking the tests they wont find **** anyway......right?

Take the tests get the fight signed.

PERIOD.

You don't seem to get it. I understand what you're saying. If you've got nothing to hide, take your hands out from behind your back. Right? I get it.

You don't. At some points in your life, it's not about innocent or guilty. It's about PRINCIPALS. Even if he was guilty, the fact that these claims came up without ANY reason still makes it WRONG.

However, without ANY evidence on the opposing side, Manny is looking to be correct in this aspect. If anything, he has the only evidence available. He's taken numerous tests and NEVER failed one. He's a clean fighter in and out of the ring if you ask anyone knowledgeable of the fight game. If anything, he has the only evidence on his side.

PRINCIPALS and HONOR > Money and fame.

If you disagree, you're a weak-minded simpleton.

[S.G.]

That's how it goes. Su****ion > Evidence > Conviction.

The problem is, Pacquiao won't provide any evidence either way and as such we're forced to dwell in the su****ion phase and can never resolve the matter.

I think blindly accepting something will always be the more ignorant option than keeping an open mind and waiting for something substantial before formulating your definitive opinion either way - hence why I don't understand the perspective that Pacquiao shouldn't take tests and shouldn't provide us with empirical evidence of his innocence or guilt. People should never take anything for granted and should always question everything.

I disregarded Mayweather Snr's accusations but I find all this commotion triggered by the possibility of more accurate tests a reasonable cause for su****ion.

[THe TRiNiTY]

That's how it goes. Su****ion > Evidence > Conviction.

The problem is, Pacquiao won't provide any evidence either way and as such we're forced to dwell in the su****ion phase and can never resolve the matter.

I think blindly accepting something will always be the more ignorant option than keeping an open mind and waiting for something substantial before formulating your definitive opinion either way - hence why I don't understand the perspective that Pacquiao shouldn't take tests and shouldn't provide us with empirical evidence of his innocence or guilt. People should never take anything for granted and should always question everything.

I disregarded Mayweather Snr's accusations but I find all this commotion triggered by the possibility of more accurate tests a reasonable cause for su****ion.

Evidence is in Pacquiao's favor. He's never failed a drug test.

Any evidence that damages his claim? NOT su****ion. Evidence.

[aether]

great read....

manny taking the tests won't shut up those who accused him anyways. they are already treating him guilty where all evidence point to him being innocent.

i see similarities in this situation as the hatton fight, where manny rejected 50-50 deal. a lot of people argue that it is fair, that manny should take it. he got a lot of heat from it. threatened to pull out of the fight. it was even pronounced dead. lots of people calling him a fraud, a *****, a diva, etc. eventually, he got a 52-48 cut on it and he agreed. not that much, and probably wasn't worth all the trouble.

but it wasn't about the money. he believed he truly deserved more than ricky. he felt that he, as the #1 fighter at that time deserves some kind of respect. he was willing to risk one of his biggest pay days for what he believes is fair.

assuming he is innocent, he could have just taken the tests, fight, and get paid. but the other side have been spewing baseless accusations at him even before the negotiations started. like the hatton fight, he is willing to walk away from a massive pay day for what he believes is right. he believes he was treated unfairly, his legacy being questioned, and basically was called a cheater, hence the lawsuit.

i admire his principles on this issue and has become a bigger fan of his cause of his actions. it may deprive me of one of the fights i am truly excited to see, but him refusing to be subjected to baseless claims has earned my respect.

could he be cheating all this time? i doubt it. i would be shocked if he was on something despite some the people's claims out there. still, if he was proven to be cheating, i am also willing to take back all what i said.