Manny and *****

[vibesoft]

If you're the first black president in US history and someone asks to check your pockets before leaving the Whitehouse, would your response be any different if they offered to allow you also check their pockets? And could we infer the reasons for your refusal were anything other than you being a dishonest person?

Imagine if ***** was asked to retake his law exams just to make sure that he's as intelligent and educated as people claim him to be (a demand unprecedented in the history of the US presidency). Would it not be understandable for him to refuse, based on principle alone? Or would this give us adaquete evidence to dispute his legitimacy as a president?

(If a security gaurd singled you -- and only you -- out and asked to look through your belongings "just in case you've got something in there", is the issue that "you shouldn't be bothered if you have nothing to hide" or the principle that all people should be held to the same standards as their peers? Again, does the security guard offering you to check his pockets make the situation any more fair?)

[BTW, I'm an follower of both fighters; I just think people are jumping all over Pacquiao prematurely at the moment and that there's a lot of context being dropped when analysing this issue; it isn't as simplistic as "just take the test if you have nothing to hide."]

[Motofan]

***** has the lowest approval rating ever recorded at this point in a Presidency. Just thought I would point that out. Oh and this is a ******ed thread with ZERO relevance to reality. Carry on.

[DeanoFlash]

....noob to noob, that was a TERRIBLE first post buddy

[Sorbetero]

floyd dont trust asian boxers

[tudedude]

no it's quite relevant to the topic. It's pointing out how irrational the accusations and demands are. Your comment back, on the other hand, does nothing to counter the main argument of the TS.

[MARKBNLV]

in this day and age of sports blood testing is the norm and the anti doping agency is the best,manny needs to prove he is not the one scared.

[MARKBNLV]

no it's quite relevant to the topic. It's pointing out how irrational the accusations and demands are. Your comment back, on the other hand, does nothing to counter the main argument of the TS.

True fans of boxing want are sport clean and blood testing is a step in the right direction.

[Motofan]

no it's quite relevant to the topic. It's pointing out how irrational the accusations and demands are. Your comment back, on the other hand, does nothing to counter the main argument of the TS.

No actually it was yet another "race as a crutch" topic involving Manny. It was pointless. I will agree with you that my response was equally pointless, but hey, Im bored.

[vibesoft]

True fans of boxing want are sport clean and blood testing is a step in the right direction.

I agree, and I hope the testing standards will apply to all boxers in the future.

[vibesoft]

Just to be clear: I think Pacquiao should agree to the demands and take the strictest testing procedures possible (along with Mayweather.) No disagreements about that whatsoever.

I just wanted to add to the discussion that the conclusions a lot of people are jumping to about Manny are not necessarily warranted; I was trying to draw parallels to other situations in our culture.

I'm happy to defend (and change) my view on the matter. So far, I haven't heard anyone draw a clear distinction between what is happening to Pacquiao with the examples I mentioned in the topic. Just wanted to open it up for discussion.