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  • Danny Gunz
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    Why Steroid Accusations Are Baseless

    [IMG]http://i850.***********.com/albums/ab69/shoeflykorine/pacquiaos_weight_over_time.png[/IMG]

    First, let me say that I resent this whole thing. I'm not interested in steroids, never have been. Barry Bonds was my favorite baseball player and I haven't watched a game since he was run out of the game.

    Furthermore, if I wanted to write about steroids I would be a baseball writer. (Mostly, I resent that it forced me to make the chart above, which I'll explain and repeat later.)

    But things are what they are, so lets look at it. There has been absolutely no evidence - circumstantial or otherwise - that Manny Pacquiao has used steroids. There have been no rumors from his camp or unsavory characters with a su****ious past surrounding him.

    All we have is the speculation of Floyd Mayweather Sr. that Pacquiao is a steroid user, not exactly the most trustworthy source. Floyd Sr. has been crowing that Pacquiao's reluctance to give blood samples so close to the fight proves that he is right. Floyd says, "Like I said from the start, that was just my opinion. It's a lot of people's opinions now. For that kind of money how could you not take the test? There's a reason."

    Whatever the reason, did or does Mayweather Sr. have cause to be su****ious in the first place? His argument, and that of those who believe him, has largely been based on Pacquiao's swift move up through the weight classes.

    The argument goes something like; "In March, 2008 Pacquiao was fighting Juan Manual Marquez at the super featherweight limit of 130 pounds. In November, 2009 he beat Miguel Cotto in the welterweight division. It's impossible to gain 17 pounds (or the 15 for the 145 pound catchweight) in such a short period of time."

    This speculation is not enough to conclusively prove anything, but it is evocative. Such a large weight gain over such a short period of time is, indeed, su****ious.

    But is that what actually happened? As all boxing fans know making weight is not a simple thing. When a fighter comes in at the lightweight limit of 135 they can put on any amount of weight above that in the thirty hours before the fight takes place. To see Pacquiao's growth, I went back and took screenshots of the tale of the tape of his most recent fights. His actual in-ring weight tells a far different story than the one Floyd Mayweather Sr. and the steroid skeptics would have you believe.

    Pacquiao vs. Morales: November, 2006
    [IMG]http://i850.***********.com/albums/ab69/shoeflykorine/Picture4.png[/IMG]
    (November 2006)

    Pacquiao vs. Barrera: October 2007 - official weight:130, in ring weight 144

    Pac vs. Marquez: March 2008 - official weight 129, in ring weight 145

    Pac vs. Diaz: June 2008 - official weight 135, in ring weight 147

    Pac vs. Oscar: December 2008 - official weight 142, in ring weight 148

    Pac vs. Hatton: May 2009 - Official weight 138, in ring weight 148

    Pac vs. Cotto: November 2009 - official weight 144, no in ring weight given

    Now, what does this all tell us? From November of 2006 until May of 2009 Pacquiao's in-ring weight only changed by four pounds. His body could have changed in many ways, but there is no way to argue he put on an impossible to believe fifteen or seventeen pounds unless you think he suddenly ballooned after the Cotto fight. Below is a chart marking Pacquiao's growth from the final Morales fight until his more recent fight with Miguel Cotto.

    [IMG]http://i850.***********.com/albums/ab69/shoeflykorine/pacquiaos_weight_over_time.png[/IMG]

    As we can see in this chart, Pacquiao's official weight has jumped quite rapidly, but his actual in-ring weight has remained very consistent.

    Again, this doesn't provide evidence that Pacquiao is not using steroids. For all we know he is using everything under the sun. The point is that the underlying basis for the su****ion that Pacquiao is doping is based on a false premise. Manny Pacquiao has not gained an incredible amount of muscle mass. Instead he has simply ceased to drain such a huge amount of weight.

    Manny Pacquiao could very well be doing steroids, but as the chart and photographs above show, he has not undergone a radical body reformation over recent months and years. It is mainly his success and fame that has grown, while his actual in-ring weight has remained consistent.

    Will this convince people on either side? I doubt it, but just know that the reason for the supposed su****ion of Manny Pacquaio's steroid use is based around a faulty premise.

    Note: I could only put in three pictures, and this article was taken from http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The...s_are_baseless
  • johncods
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    #2
    LMAO poor floyd sr.

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    • namme
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      #3
      Originally posted by Danny Gunz
      [IMG]http://i850.***********.com/albums/ab69/shoeflykorine/pacquiaos_weight_over_time.png[/IMG]

      First, let me say that I resent this whole thing. I'm not interested in steroids, never have been. Barry Bonds was my favorite baseball player and I haven't watched a game since he was run out of the game.

      Furthermore, if I wanted to write about steroids I would be a baseball writer. (Mostly, I resent that it forced me to make the chart above, which I'll explain and repeat later.)

      But things are what they are, so lets look at it. There has been absolutely no evidence - circumstantial or otherwise - that Manny Pacquiao has used steroids. There have been no rumors from his camp or unsavory characters with a su****ious past surrounding him.

      All we have is the speculation of Floyd Mayweather Sr. that Pacquiao is a steroid user, not exactly the most trustworthy source. Floyd Sr. has been crowing that Pacquiao's reluctance to give blood samples so close to the fight proves that he is right. Floyd says, "Like I said from the start, that was just my opinion. It's a lot of people's opinions now. For that kind of money how could you not take the test? There's a reason."

      Whatever the reason, did or does Mayweather Sr. have cause to be su****ious in the first place? His argument, and that of those who believe him, has largely been based on Pacquiao's swift move up through the weight classes.

      The argument goes something like; "In March, 2008 Pacquiao was fighting Juan Manual Marquez at the super featherweight limit of 130 pounds. In November, 2009 he beat Miguel Cotto in the welterweight division. It's impossible to gain 17 pounds (or the 15 for the 145 pound catchweight) in such a short period of time."

      This speculation is not enough to conclusively prove anything, but it is evocative. Such a large weight gain over such a short period of time is, indeed, su****ious.

      But is that what actually happened? As all boxing fans know making weight is not a simple thing. When a fighter comes in at the lightweight limit of 135 they can put on any amount of weight above that in the thirty hours before the fight takes place. To see Pacquiao's growth, I went back and took screenshots of the tale of the tape of his most recent fights. His actual in-ring weight tells a far different story than the one Floyd Mayweather Sr. and the steroid skeptics would have you believe.

      Pacquiao vs. Morales: November, 2006
      http://i850.***********.com/albums/a...e/Picture4.png
      (November 2006)

      Pacquiao vs. Barrera: October 2007 - official weight:130, in ring weight 144

      Pac vs. Marquez: March 2008 - official weight 129, in ring weight 145

      Pac vs. Diaz: June 2008 - official weight 135, in ring weight 147

      Pac vs. Oscar: December 2008 - official weight 142, in ring weight 148

      Pac vs. Hatton: May 2009 - Official weight 138, in ring weight 148

      Pac vs. Cotto: November 2009 - official weight 144, no in ring weight given

      Now, what does this all tell us? From November of 2006 until May of 2009 Pacquiao's in-ring weight only changed by four pounds. His body could have changed in many ways, but there is no way to argue he put on an impossible to believe fifteen or seventeen pounds unless you think he suddenly ballooned after the Cotto fight. Below is a chart marking Pacquiao's growth from the final Morales fight until his more recent fight with Miguel Cotto.

      [IMG]http://i850.***********.com/albums/ab69/shoeflykorine/pacquiaos_weight_over_time.png[/IMG]

      As we can see in this chart, Pacquiao's official weight has jumped quite rapidly, but his actual in-ring weight has remained very consistent.

      Again, this doesn't provide evidence that Pacquiao is not using steroids. For all we know he is using everything under the sun. The point is that the underlying basis for the su****ion that Pacquiao is doping is based on a false premise. Manny Pacquiao has not gained an incredible amount of muscle mass. Instead he has simply ceased to drain such a huge amount of weight.

      Manny Pacquiao could very well be doing steroids, but as the chart and photographs above show, he has not undergone a radical body reformation over recent months and years. It is mainly his success and fame that has grown, while his actual in-ring weight has remained consistent.

      Will this convince people on either side? I doubt it, but just know that the reason for the supposed su****ion of Manny Pacquaio's steroid use is based around a faulty premise.

      Note: I could only put in three pictures, and this article was taken from http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The...s_are_baseless
      ok, steroids out, PEDs/HGH in!

      Do traces of PEDs and HGH get out of the system immediately right after a fight? through sweats that come out of the body perhaps?

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      • mclovin
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        Originally posted by Danny Gunz
        [IMG]http://i850.***********.com/albums/ab69/shoeflykorine/pacquiaos_weight_over_time.png[/IMG]

        First, let me say that I resent this whole thing. I'm not interested in steroids, never have been. Barry Bonds was my favorite baseball player and I haven't watched a game since he was run out of the game.

        Furthermore, if I wanted to write about steroids I would be a baseball writer. (Mostly, I resent that it forced me to make the chart above, which I'll explain and repeat later.)

        But things are what they are, so lets look at it. There has been absolutely no evidence - circumstantial or otherwise - that Manny Pacquiao has used steroids. There have been no rumors from his camp or unsavory characters with a su****ious past surrounding him.

        All we have is the speculation of Floyd Mayweather Sr. that Pacquiao is a steroid user, not exactly the most trustworthy source. Floyd Sr. has been crowing that Pacquiao's reluctance to give blood samples so close to the fight proves that he is right. Floyd says, "Like I said from the start, that was just my opinion. It's a lot of people's opinions now. For that kind of money how could you not take the test? There's a reason."

        Whatever the reason, did or does Mayweather Sr. have cause to be su****ious in the first place? His argument, and that of those who believe him, has largely been based on Pacquiao's swift move up through the weight classes.

        The argument goes something like; "In March, 2008 Pacquiao was fighting Juan Manual Marquez at the super featherweight limit of 130 pounds. In November, 2009 he beat Miguel Cotto in the welterweight division. It's impossible to gain 17 pounds (or the 15 for the 145 pound catchweight) in such a short period of time."

        This speculation is not enough to conclusively prove anything, but it is evocative. Such a large weight gain over such a short period of time is, indeed, su****ious.

        But is that what actually happened? As all boxing fans know making weight is not a simple thing. When a fighter comes in at the lightweight limit of 135 they can put on any amount of weight above that in the thirty hours before the fight takes place. To see Pacquiao's growth, I went back and took screenshots of the tale of the tape of his most recent fights. His actual in-ring weight tells a far different story than the one Floyd Mayweather Sr. and the steroid skeptics would have you believe.

        Pacquiao vs. Morales: November, 2006
        [IMG]http://i850.***********.com/albums/ab69/shoeflykorine/Picture4.png[/IMG]
        (November 2006)

        Pacquiao vs. Barrera: October 2007 - official weight:130, in ring weight 144

        Pac vs. Marquez: March 2008 - official weight 129, in ring weight 145

        Pac vs. Diaz: June 2008 - official weight 135, in ring weight 147

        Pac vs. Oscar: December 2008 - official weight 142, in ring weight 148

        Pac vs. Hatton: May 2009 - Official weight 138, in ring weight 148

        Pac vs. Cotto: November 2009 - official weight 144, no in ring weight given

        Now, what does this all tell us? From November of 2006 until May of 2009 Pacquiao's in-ring weight only changed by four pounds. His body could have changed in many ways, but there is no way to argue he put on an impossible to believe fifteen or seventeen pounds unless you think he suddenly ballooned after the Cotto fight. Below is a chart marking Pacquiao's growth from the final Morales fight until his more recent fight with Miguel Cotto.

        [IMG]http://i850.***********.com/albums/ab69/shoeflykorine/pacquiaos_weight_over_time.png[/IMG]

        As we can see in this chart, Pacquiao's official weight has jumped quite rapidly, but his actual in-ring weight has remained very consistent.

        Again, this doesn't provide evidence that Pacquiao is not using steroids. For all we know he is using everything under the sun. The point is that the underlying basis for the su****ion that Pacquiao is doping is based on a false premise. Manny Pacquiao has not gained an incredible amount of muscle mass. Instead he has simply ceased to drain such a huge amount of weight.

        Manny Pacquiao could very well be doing steroids, but as the chart and photographs above show, he has not undergone a radical body reformation over recent months and years. It is mainly his success and fame that has grown, while his actual in-ring weight has remained consistent.

        Will this convince people on either side? I doubt it, but just know that the reason for the supposed su****ion of Manny Pacquaio's steroid use is based around a faulty premise.

        Note: I could only put in three pictures, and this article was taken from http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The...s_are_baseless
        good job. that is a lot of work and plotting LOL

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        • .Sakuragi.
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          #5
          Many Pachaters and Floyd fans cant even read nor do simple math, how the hell will they understand these long paragraphs and specially the graphs?

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          • S H O B O X
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            #6
            i really dont think pac has ever taken steroids but the random drugs tests were only supposed to be a formality and pacs team have blown it out of proportion with their contradictory statements , now manny is wrongfully being accused (even though the accusations are completely baseless as you've said) and the fight is in jeopardy with manny looking to sue floyd. There may still be time to rectify some of these issues and i hope the right decisions are made because a lot of boxing fans would be seriously dissapointed if this fight doesnt happen.

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            • Danny Gunz
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              #7
              basically the whole article is summed up in the graph

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              • johncods
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                #8
                Originally posted by .Sakuragi.
                Many Pachaters and Floyd fans cant even read nor do simple math, how the hell will they understand these long paragraphs and specially the graphs?

                good question..

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                • $partacus
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                  #9
                  HGH burns fat cells so you lose weight and creates new muscle cells, so you can take it and become physically stronger etc without much change in weight.

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                  • M.I.C.
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                    #10
                    Its been an entire day and Pac fans still dont seem to grasp the principle that Pac has refused to undergo random testing. You realize that their aint no explaining away not testing when we living in the steroid HGH BALCO era. If any athlete says no I wont take the test, then they just f-cked up didn't they?

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