Should Johnny Ruiz go down in the hall of fame instead of Holyfield, Lewis and Tyson?

[marvdave]

I'm a two year member of Ruiz website boards.

sure you are..if so, please go back there

[paul750]

Lewis is no coward. He retired because the time was right, and all the Klitschko fans need to understand that he didnt do it to avoid Vitali..thats so lame. And Lewis never, ever won a fight by hugging his opponet to death.

i think lewis just realized that he was starting to fade, and klitchko proved this point to him, lewis didn't want to have another war with klitchko and suffer a possible defeat, he wanted to retire at the top, which he done. i don't think he was 100% convinced that he would beat klitchko in a rematch, but he was just being smart he knew his time was coming to an end. i do however think that on the top of his game and at his peak he would have always beaten klitchko, but lewis knew at that point in his career at 39 he had a lucky escape.

[The Pretender]

which makes you so extremely biased that debating with you is counterproductive, and ******. Did I mention pointless? If not, pointless.

As much crap as you talk about Ruiz and then you call someone biased for being a Ruiz fan? It's tough being a Ruiz fan because he fights through all the adversity and hard challenges against all odds to great victories. Unlike you nuthuggers who strap themselves to the balls of any fighter that happens to be popular at the time. That's weak and pathetic. Did I mention pathetic? If not, pathetic!

[tracylee]

As much crap as you talk about Ruiz and then you call someone biased for being a Ruiz fan? It's tough being a Ruiz fan because he fights through all the adversity and hard challenges against all odds to great victories. Unlike you nuthuggers who strap themselves to the balls of any fighter that happens to be popular at the time. That's weak and pathetic. Did I mention pathetic? If not, pathetic!

Actually, I dont go for the "popular at the moment fighter"..I'm a hugh Holyfield fan, so at best you can poke fun at his age and refusal to quit. All the crap I've said about Ruiz? You've got me mixed up man...all I said was he hug's too much. That was all. And I stand by that. I hardly call that talking crap when I've seen round after round of him doing just that.
You are biased..the same way I'm biased towards Gatti and Holyfield. Why be ashamed of it?

[The Pretender]

Ashamed of what? I'm a Ruiz fan because he has more heart and courage than any other fighter in boxing today. Ruiz talks ****? He's the most humble champ there is! That's why he's called quietman, duh.

See you biased towards Holyfield, only the most popular fighter overall since Ali. Nuthugging the bandwagon crowd favorite, just like I thought.

[tracylee]

Ashamed of what? I'm a Ruiz fan because he has more heart and courage than any other fighter in boxing today. Ruiz talks ****? He's the most humble champ there is! That's why he's called quietman, duh.

See you biased towards Holyfield, only the most popular fighter overall since Ali. Nuthugging the bandwagon crowd favorite, just like I thought.

I never said he was a **** talker, duh. You get things mixed up at times dont you? My affection for Evander has nothing to do with a bandwagon...damn man, the guy is in his 40's and the laughing stock of the sport. Hardly what people still term as the favorite. Trying to talk to you is the same as ****ing ones head against a wall. Pointless.

[tracylee]

Actually, I dont go for the "popular at the moment fighter"..I'm a hugh Holyfield fan, so at best you can poke fun at his age and refusal to quit. All the crap I've said about Ruiz? You've got me mixed up man...all I said was he hug's too much. That was all. And I stand by that. I hardly call that talking crap when I've seen round after round of him doing just that.
You are biased..the same way I'm biased towards Gatti and Holyfield. Why be ashamed of it?

This, smart guy, if you'll read it right, plainly says that me claiming he hugs alot is not talking crap. Youre the one that turned it into me saying Ruiz talks ****. Your confusing yourself..and God knows who else!

[the giant one]

Think about it... look at the records and the behind the scenes wrangles...


Tyson has a legitimate loss and a DQ to Evander Holyfield.

Ruiz is 1-1-1 with Holyfield, and many think he won two.


Tyson paid Lewis $4 million dollars not to fight him.

Lewis ducked Ruiz.


It took Lewis two attempts to beat Rahman - Ruiz did it in the first attempt.

Lewis and Tyson fought a Golota drugged up and injured... Ruiz fought him on form.

Since Ruiz was established, his only losses were when he was distracted by a divorce and a lucky punch.


All the other belt holders are avoiding him.



So should Ruiz go down in the Hall of Fame as the best heavyweight of the last two decades? Surely his record speaks for itself?

What do others think?

Gonna disagree with ya here. Ruiz is a champ in an era of bad heavys. If he had fought in the early 90's as a contender, not just starting out, he would have been starched by at least a half dozen guys including Ray Mercer, Tommy Morrison , Michael Moorer, Razor Ruddock and Oliver Mccall before even hitting the big names like Bowe and Holyfield in his prime

[The Pretender]

I never said he was a **** talker, duh. You get things mixed up at times dont you? My affection for Evander has nothing to do with a bandwagon...damn man, the guy is in his 40's and the laughing stock of the sport. Hardly what people still term as the favorite. Trying to talk to you is the same as ****ing ones head against a wall. Pointless.

You're a joke. Try reading that great article on the front page about boxers with great records. So what if Evander ate most his losses at the end of his illustrious career, most people still consider him probably the greatest fighter since Ali because he never ducked and beat the best fighters of his generation. You know Evander is a crowd favorite, don't lie.

[The Pretender]

Gonna disagree with ya here. Ruiz is a champ in an era of bad heavys. If he had fought in the early 90's as a contender, not just starting out, he would have been starched by at least a half dozen guys including Ray Mercer, Tommy Morrison , Michael Moorer, Razor Ruddock and Oliver Mccall before even hitting the big names like Bowe and Holyfield in his prime

And Lewis was a unified champ during the same era of fighters so whats your point. Thats why Lewis legacy is controversial.