A lesson in logic

[Killa_Kali]

In logic and rhetoric, a fallacy is a misconception resulting from incorrect reasoning in argumentation. By accident or design, fallacies may exploit emotional triggers in the listener, or take advantage of social relationships between people (e.g. argument from authority). Fallacious arguments are often structured using rhetorical patterns that obscure the logical argument.

Examples of logical fallacies and the Manny Pacquiao "steroid" saga:

Affirming the Consequent - draws a conclusion from premises that do not support that conclusion by assuming Q implies P on the basis that P implies Q
Example

Argument: If a person use steroids, then his athletic performance improves dramatically. Pacquiao has improved dramatically through the years. Therefore, Pacquiao is using steroids.

Problem: Other things, such as scientific training and nutrition, have been proven to have improved athlete's performances.

Begging the question: demonstrates a conclusion by means of premises that assume that conclusion.
Example
Argument: Floyd Mayweather Sr. must be telling the truth, because I have heard him say the same thing many times before.
Problem: Floyd Mayweather Sr.may be consistent in what he says, but he may have been lying the whole time.

Argument from ignorance -because a premise cannot be proven false, the premise must be true
Argument: It cannot be proven decisively that Pacquiao is not using steroids.
Therefore, Pacquiao is using steroids.

Moving the goalpost: argument in which evidence presented in response to a specific claim is dismissed and some other (often greater) evidence is demanded
Argument: Even if Pacquiao has tested negative for steroids under Nevada tests, he should be made to undergo more thorough tests just to be sure that he is clean.

Hasty generalization (fallacy of insufficient statistics, fallacy of insufficient sample, fallacy of the lonely fact, leaping to a conclusion, hasty induction, secundum quid)
Argument: Pacquiao does not want to take tests for PEDs just before his fight, therefore he is using PEDS.
Problem: Pacquiao is actually willing to take a barrage of tests, THREE days before and IMMEDIATELY AFTER the fight.

[DontHitMyNuts]

this floyd fans don't understand logic, sadly

most are just here to troll

i bet most havent even fully understood pac's terms. and the extend of demand of the testing

[BoxingHistory]

this floyd fans don't understand logic, sadly

most are just here to troll

i bet most havent even fully understood pac's terms. and the extend of demand of the testing

Ok, please enlighten me at least. What are the terms of the testing? Have u seen the contract or are u speculating like everyone else? Will Pac allow his blood to be taken during his training camp? I really don't care about before the press conference or after the fight or the day before the fight. I want to know will he test during training periods.

[Killa_Kali]

this floyd fans don't understand logic, sadly

most are just here to troll

i bet most havent even fully understood pac's terms. and the extend of demand of the testing

most of the roid-related posts here are from trolling. i study human behavior and social psychology so i deem it that the posts were made to spite the other camp's supporters.

[Curtiz]

This advantage also means that one can pass a drug test a couple of days after the last injection. This is a great advantage to athletes who will be tested and still want the benefits of a mass drug which can not be tested for easily....many other forms of testosterone (such as Cyp or Enanth) can take 3 months to become undetectable

http://www.steroid.com/Testosterone-Suspension.php

[barafranca]

This is a nice post. But you gotta understand that *****s have no logic at all

[Lead Cenobite]

most of the roid-related posts here are from trolling. i study human behavior and social psychology so i deem it that the posts were made to spite the other camp's supporters.

Jeet Kun Do sucks. Just Fyi.

[Killa_Kali]

This advantage also means that one can pass a drug test a couple of days after the last injection. This is a great advantage to athletes who will be tested and still want the benefits of a mass drug which can not be tested for easily....many other forms of testosterone (such as Cyp or Enanth) can take 3 months to become undetectable

http://www.steroid.com/Testosterone-Suspension.php

and a human body can cycle it in an hour? i.e. it wont show in tests taken IMMEDIATELY after the fight?

you're grasping at straws. wikipedia is your friend.

[Killa_Kali]

Jeet Kun Do sucks. Just Fyi.

i prefer aikido myself

[onedream722]

In logic and rhetoric, a fallacy is a misconception resulting from incorrect reasoning in argumentation. By accident or design, fallacies may exploit emotional triggers in the listener, or take advantage of social relationships between people (e.g. argument from authority). Fallacious arguments are often structured using rhetorical patterns that obscure the logical argument.

Examples of logical fallacies and the Manny Pacquiao "steroid" saga:

Affirming the Consequent - draws a conclusion from premises that do not support that conclusion by assuming Q implies P on the basis that P implies Q
Example

Argument: If a person use steroids, then his athletic performance improves dramatically. Pacquiao has improved dramatically through the years. Therefore, Pacquiao is using steroids.

Problem: Other things, such as scientific training and nutrition, have been proven to have improved athlete's performances.

Begging the question: demonstrates a conclusion by means of premises that assume that conclusion.
Example
Argument: Floyd Mayweather Sr. must be telling the truth, because I have heard him say the same thing many times before.
Problem: Floyd Mayweather Sr.may be consistent in what he says, but he may have been lying the whole time.

Argument from ignorance -because a premise cannot be proven false, the premise must be true
Argument: It cannot be proven decisively that Pacquiao is not using steroids.
Therefore, Pacquiao is using steroids.

Moving the goalpost: argument in which evidence presented in response to a specific claim is dismissed and some other (often greater) evidence is demanded
Argument: Even if Pacquiao has tested negative for steroids under Nevada tests, he should be made to undergo more thorough tests just to be sure that he is clean.

Hasty generalization (fallacy of insufficient statistics, fallacy of insufficient sample, fallacy of the lonely fact, leaping to a conclusion, hasty induction, secundum quid)
Argument: Pacquiao does not want to take tests for PEDs just before his fight, therefore he is using PEDS.
Problem: Pacquiao is actually willing to take a barrage of tests, THREE days before and IMMEDIATELY AFTER the fight.

everyone understands fallacies...you don't need to type ur study guide from ur last quiz u had