'Pre Margarito' Miguel Cotto vs 'Post Margarito' Miguel Cotto

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Let's be honest is easy to see Margarito cheated against him. Anyway I don't think he actually crumble in that fight (until the end) he was running from the very first round, unlike his fights with Clottey and Pacquiao were he started the fight coming foward and ended going backwards.

I agreed with the rest you said.

It's easy to see that there's no proof..and there's always the right to speculate..but plaster or no plaster..Margarito took those hellacious shots and kept running at Cotto as Cotto back peddled..

I believe Margarito might've used the plaster that night against Cotto..what I'm not so sure about is..how different would it have really been had Margarito not worn them?..he still took BOMBS and ate them like M&M's and broke Cotto down..plaster or no plaster..Margarito averages 100+ punches per round..if Cotto would have slowed Margarito's pace but taking away his legs by going to the body...Cotto could have UD'd that **** all day even late TKO..but he head hunted all night and paid for it..

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It's also his opposition and whom he does this to. Boxing and retreating on the backfoot worked for Cotto against other guys and he still won, but there's a big difference between having the likes of Ndou and Abdullaev come at you and then Margarito and Pacquiao come at you.

Cotto looked like he may have been psychologically messed up from the Margarito fight as he looked mentally beaten by the 6th round.

True..and good examples with mentioning the N'dou and Abdullaev bouts..but that's where I believe he showed more boxing..kind of like he did in the Mosley fight..Cotto can adjust..and usually does if he's not breaking them

but since Margarito..I agree..he looks like he tries to hurt them early..and if it doesn't work he's in full retreat..not even boxing nicely like his abilities have shown in the past..

I'm a strong believer that he needs Evangelista back in his corner..if he doesn't get his team sorted out..I don't think I can have that same faith in Cotto ever again..

*Edit..The Haters wouldn't know about him backing up and boxing before Mosley because they don't know what they're talking about half the time..since it's the first time they saw Cotto do that..they figured he was "Running"..lol!

[ELPacman]

You guys are forgetting, when you get to the top level, the opponents get harder...Now I'm not saying Margarito is a smart fighter, but Cotto did say regardless of plaster or not, he had a hard time getting to Margarito's body. Roach's goal for Pacquiao was to try to neutralize Cotto's left. While I don't think he did a great job on it, he did discourage Cotto who landed I can't even count how many, from really continuing to throw it nonstop in the later rounds. When your opponents find out what works so well for you, it's kinda like the secret is out, they work a strategy against it. Why do you think Manny backed off on laying down his straight left hand so early in the fight lately? Most are prepared for it.

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It's easy to see that there's no proof..and there's always the right to speculate..but plaster or no plaster..Margarito took those hellacious shots and kept running at Cotto as Cotto back peddled..

I believe Margarito might've used the plaster that night against Cotto..what I'm not so sure about is..how different would it have really been had Margarito not worn them?..he still took BOMBS and ate them like M&M's and broke Cotto down..plaster or no plaster..Margarito averages 100+ punches per round..if Cotto would have slowed Margarito's pace but taking away his legs by going to the body...Cotto could have UD'd that **** all day even late TKO..but he head hunted all night and paid for it..

I think he did load up, and if not for this fight, then probably for others.

But I don't think there's really a way to confidently predict how things would've gone if the gloves were legal. There's different factors that come to play. How much more did it take out of Cotto to be hit with loaded gloves as opposed to regular shots? Margarito has crazy stamina anyway, but he also could throw a high number of shots with less effort and it'll do damage anyway. What happens when you're tired on the heavy bag? You throw more arm shots and put less into it (or at least I do).

You wonder about the mental effects on both guys. You get hit with harder shots then you might be worried too much about the incoming, be more tense (fatigued), and it can also affect your fight plan. Margarito would have a psychological edge of knowing what he has in his gloves.

I just view the fight as a question mark, really. And it'll remain that way, even with a rematch. If Cotto beats Margarito's ass in a rematch, it could just mean that the beatings and long career for Margarito have added up. If Margarito wins again, maybe Margarito just has Cotto's number, or perhaps Cotto's body and psyche has been damaged too much, and his body's not as strong as Margarito's to recover from grueling fights. The only thing I'm sure about is that I now strongly dislike Margarito, after having been a fan of him before.

You guys are forgetting, when you get to the top level, the opponents get harder...Now I'm not saying Margarito is a smart fighter, but Cotto did say regardless of plaster or not, he had a hard time getting to Margarito's body.

I agree. Margarito did a good job at defending the body shots.

I'm not sure if he countered a Cotto body shot effectively. If he did, that might've made Cotto reluctant to throw there.

[KJB]

Another excuse thread month and a half later?? Let it go man..

Not an excuse thread at all. Its a very good point he is making. The Cotto that fought Zab Judah and the Cotto that fought Josh Clottey were two different guys.

[KJB]

It's easy to see that there's no proof..and there's always the right to speculate..but plaster or no plaster..Margarito took those hellacious shots and kept running at Cotto as Cotto back peddled..

I believe Margarito might've used the plaster that night against Cotto..what I'm not so sure about is..how different would it have really been had Margarito not worn them?..he still took BOMBS and ate them like M&M's and broke Cotto down..plaster or no plaster..Margarito averages 100+ punches per round..if Cotto would have slowed Margarito's pace but taking away his legs by going to the body...Cotto could have UD'd that **** all day even late TKO..but he head hunted all night and paid for it..

Plaster or no plaster? You honestly think a fight where one fighter had loaded gloves would have gone the same way if he were fighting fair? Cause thats just crazy.

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The difference I see between the two is one was mentally stable and strong and the other just doesn't have his confidence anymore.

It looks mental now in Cotto.

And people seem to forget Cotto had a busted nose from 2nd round onwards in the Margarito fight, had they rematched I'm sure Cotto would have pulled a decision. But I think ultimately if that fight didn't ruin him physically, it did do something to him alot mentally. It could be that or his trainer, againest Micheal Jennings he seemed like Cotto, once Clottey came around with a new trainer he was different, and that's his fault.

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Plaster or no plaster? You honestly think a fight where one fighter had loaded gloves would have gone the same way if he were fighting fair? Cause thats just crazy.

At the end of the day...Cotto was getting hit left and right pressure was getting to him and he was retreating more and more when he wouldn't even phase Margarito with his HARDEST shots..

I'm not saying it wouldn't make a difference..of course it would..what I'm saying is..Margarito's style is ALL wrong for Cotto and I believe Margarito would've beat Cotto that night with or with out Plaster..

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At the end of the day...Cotto was getting hit left and right pressure was getting to him and he was retreating more and more when he wouldn't even phase Margarito with his HARDEST shots..

I'm not saying it wouldn't make a difference..of course it would..what I'm saying is..Margarito's style is ALL wrong for Cotto and I believe Margarito would've beat Cotto that night with or with out Plaster..

That is just crazy and I meAan CRAZY talk. I mean we talking about a block of plaster dude (That is what they found on his wraps before the Mosley fight) a freaking block of plaster. So let say he used it that **** is like getting your head smash tru a wall. So you bet your ass If it was a fair fight Cotto would have gave him a schooling for 12 rounds like he was doing in the first half. I mean what you saying is crazy it really makes no sense at all.