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  • project xxx1
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    #51
    Originally posted by Dave Rado
    Rubbish. He won an Olympic silver medal at an extremely young age. The Olympic final was watched by around 15 million people in the UK, and he also had a lot of terreststrial TV coverage in his early pro career. That, rather than any hype, is the main reason he's a lot more well known in Britain than Froch is, and is why he's been able to make more money than Froch.

    Soon after his loss in the Olympic final, he convincingly avenged his defeat against Kindelan.

    As a pro it was obvious from the get-go that he has truly exceptional talent, superb hand-speed and timing, and a very exciting style. It was also obvious that he had a lot of stylistic flaws and was being very badly trained, but that didn't hide his raw talent.

    Since teaming up with Roach, he has improved his fundamentals dramatically. Kotelnik was a very good and completely one-sided win against a solid top 5 opponent, who had just beaten Maidana. Salita was a mandatory, so criticising him for taking that fight is ridiculous. And although some are blowing that win out of proportion, the fact is that no one could have dealt with Salita more decisively than he did.

    What really matters is what happens next. Maidana is his next mandatory, and that fight should answer the questions about his chin. Provided that fight happens in 2010, anyone who is not a hater will give him full props. And criticising him for wanting to fight Marquez on the basis that he's old is also ridiculous. Marquez is still ranked very highly in the P4P lists, and it's not a huge jump from 135 to 140.

    Sure Warren is trying to over-hype him now, and so are many journalists. He should still be regarded as a fantastic prospect, but not yet as a real world champion. But that doesn't alter the fact that he has tremendous talent, and has massive potential.

    Froch criticising him for not having rematched Prescott is pathetic. Prescott has lost his last two fights badly, the last one to a Jnr Lightweight. Before those defeats, Khan said many times that he wanted to rematch him soon. But it would be ****** to rematch him now, after those defeats; and Froch is an idiot for suggesting otherwise.

    Froch seems to have a psychological need to trash the records of other British fighters, when any true patriot would celebrate their achievements. As others have said, it's hard not to put that down to jealousy.



    Froch waited until he was 31 before fighting any meaningful opposition. He spent 6 whole years fighting nobodies. He has no one to blame but himself for his lack of stardom. If he'd fought some top 10 fighters a year or two sooner than he did, and won, then he'd have got the fight he craved with Calzaghe. But he blew it by fighting nobodies for too long.

    And almost everyone thought that a very green Dirrell deserved the decision against him. And he is clearly not outstandingly talented. He fights with a lot of heart and intensity, and has tremendous stamina - and his style is exciting, provided his opponent is willing to trade; but he is a very limited boxer, and no trainer is ever going to be able to alter that. Which is the reason Roach wanted to train Khan but would never even consider training Froch.
    good post dude,

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    • Shattered Jaw
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      #52
      Originally posted by Dave Rado
      Rubbish. He won an Olympic silver medal at an extremely young age. The Olympic final was watched by around 15 million people in the UK, and he also had a lot of terreststrial TV coverage in his early pro career. That, rather than any hype, is the main reason he's a lot more well known in Britain than Froch is, and is why he's been able to make more money than Froch.

      Froch has comparable amateur achievements to Khan - he was also a world class amateur. Kahn was lucky he was the only boxer that qualified for the Olympics. I'm not taking anything away from Kahn in the amateurs but are you seriously saying this is the main reason for all the excitement around him? Every single fight he has is blown out of proportion, you'd have think he had TKO a prime Robinson from the hype after the (extremely old, shot and disgracefully treated) Barrera fight. The Kotelnik fight was incredibly boring and Kotelnik was handpicked by Warren, even if it was an optional defence you seriously cannot say to me Kahn couldn't have had anyone - because of the money behind him..

      Soon after his loss in the Olympic final, he convincingly avenged his defeat against Kindelan.

      .....

      As a pro it was obvious from the get-go that he has truly exceptional talent, superb hand-speed and timing, and a very exciting style. It was also obvious that he had a lot of stylistic flaws and was being very badly trained, but that didn't hide his raw talent.

      Was it? Sure, he has got very fast hands but where was the inside work, where was the defence, where was the resilience? You can pass this off as 'bad training' but again you use this excuse for Kahn but ignore the fact Froch doesn't have the best training in the world! Extreme double standards. Also, You seriously cannot say to me Khan looked as good as someone like Tsyzu would was pretty much the finished article as soon as he turned pro.

      Since teaming up with Roach, he has improved his fundamentals dramatically. Kotelnik was a very good and completely one-sided win against a solid top 5 opponent, who had just beaten Maidana. Salita was a mandatory, so criticising him for taking that fight is ridiculous. And although some are blowing that win out of proportion, the fact is that no one could have dealt with Salita more decisively than he did.

      I wonder why that is, the hype, the money behind him. I'm not critising for taking that fight - only saying that if it was anyone with some sort of power that belt would have been dropped like a hot potato. And do you know why? Because Kahn has the money and hype to go other places. Froch would have defended his title to the bitter end against anyone.

      I like the way you also ignore the Prescott fight. What kind of 'special' fighter gets KTFO in that kind of fashion. People keep refering to 'mistakes' in the Prescott fight... I saw no mistakes I only saw someone get hit with a jab (big deal) and get stunned horribly and take some vicious blows to the head. Please don't bring up someone like Pac getting KOed early in his career as that was nowhere near as bad as the Kahn KO - one of the worst in the past few decades.


      What really matters is what happens next. Maidana is his next mandatory, and that fight should answer the questions about his chin. Provided that fight happens in 2010, anyone who is not a hater will give him full props. And criticising him for wanting to fight Marquez on the basis that he's old is also ridiculous. Marquez is still ranked very highly in the P4P lists, and it's not a huge jump from 135 to 140.

      I will be watching very closely to see whether he fights Maidana. I doubt it very much though. Still, I can't disagree with these points.

      Sure Warren is trying to over-hype him now, and so are many journalists. He should still be regarded as a fantastic prospect, but not yet as a real world champion. But that doesn't alter the fact that he has tremendous talent, and has massive potential.

      So, he is still relatively untested then? So, why shouldn't Froch talk a bit if he wants too? He's certaintly earnt the right esecpailly with Khan's DISGRACEFUL pulling of the race card recently.

      Froch criticising him for not having rematched Prescott is pathetic. Prescott has lost his last two fights badly, the last one to a Jnr Lightweight. Before those defeats, Khan said many times that he wanted to rematch him soon. But it would be ****** to rematch him now, after those defeats; and Froch is an idiot for suggesting otherwise.

      The very fact you have admitted Khan was KTFO within 1 minute by a poor fighter is fine by me...

      Froch seems to have a psychological need to trash the records of other British fighters, when any true patriot would celebrate their achievements. As others have said, it's hard not to put that down to jealousy.


      Froch waited until he was 31 before fighting any meaningful opposition. He spent 6 whole years fighting nobodies. He has no one to blame but himslef for his lack of stardom. If he's fought some top 10 fighters a year or two sooner than he did, and won, then he'd have got the fight he craved with Calzaghe. But he blew it by fighting nobodies for too long.

      Who cares if he is 31 years old? He's only had a few fights (a comparable number to Khan)! Froch has been calling names but he didn't have the monetary clout behind him to land them! Notice the way Calzaghe DUCKED Froch and yet people excuse it! Why? I have no idea - Calzaghe's resume is littered with fighters that are far worse than Froch and who have nowhere near the name in the UK even when Froch was relatively unknown


      And almost everyone thought that a very green Dirrell deserved the decision against him. And he is clearly not outstandingly talented. He fights with a lot of heaet and intensity, and has tremendous stamina - and his style is exciting, provided his opposition is willing to trade; but he is a very limited boxer, and no trainer is ever going to be able to alter that. Which is the reason Roach wanted to train Khan but would never even consider training Froch.

      .........

      Anyway............ in bold.

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      • PensionKiller
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        #53
        Originally posted by Shattered Jaw
        Anyway............ in bold.
        Ofcourse the olympics caused the hype. Audely got it from the BBC, and Khan was the first boxer in years to be on ITV.

        Yes Khan got beat up badly by prescott. Why did he go to roach? To learn and be better for it.

        He was making weight but drained and his body was not proportional. Thin legs and a heavy body.

        Also if you actually watched his fights, he kept his hands low in the past. It is much better now.

        Age matters. Do not ignore that. Froch started late, whose fault is that?

        Name me any fighter at 23 now who has achieved more or fought better. I can't think of any.

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          #54
          Originally posted by Shattered Jaw
          Anyway............ in bold.
          Okay back on my PC because control typing on the PS3 is annoying me.

          Age matters. Name me any 23 year old fighter that has done what Khan has done now.

          His resume is not as good as Froch's possibly, but the best at 23 IMO.

          Okay you say that the fights are the same, and that Froch has the same amount of fights and is most likely out of his prme age, but he himself said that it isn't a problem because he hasn't been in many wars and is fresh.

          Pascal was a good fight but he is not a great fighter. Drianou isn't either if you want to bring up his light heavyweight success.

          Froch is what, 29/30? There are plenty of year olds who have done better than him. Infact Taylor has already lost and made Froch look awful. Abraham exposed Taylor by outboxing him, and he ouboxed Froch for 11.99 rounds.

          Dirrell did run, but he is green. You saying he is is a good fighter? Because if you are, then Khan is too.

          Khan has plenty of skill. He may have been overhyped, but he worked hard for whatver he has, and where he is. The Olympic silver started it off.

          Froch will lose to Kessler. All my points against you on it. Deal?

          reposted for you. Deal?

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          • Chunk..
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            #55
            Khan's 22 and has time on his hands. Froch is on 30 odd street and time isn't something he has.

            I think what i'm trying to say is, when its' all said and done, Khan will have a greater legacy then Froch. I'm certain of it.

            His done more then most 22 year old boxers have done at this point of Khan's career, and that includes coming back from a devastating loss.

            Froch needs to take 5 minutes and wonder why his fights don't get shown on terrestrial TV here, never mind the PPV's that Khan's knocking out.

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              #56
              Originally posted by Chunk
              Khan's 22 and has time on his hands. Froch is on 30 odd street and time isn't something he has.

              I think what i'm trying to say is, when its' all said and done, Khan will have a greater legacy then Froch. I'm certain of it.

              His done more then most 22 year old boxers have done at this point of Khan's career, and that includes coming back from a devastating loss.

              Froch needs to take 5 minutes and wonder why his fights don't get shown on terrestrial TV here, never mind the PPV's that Khan's knocking out.

              Froch is 32 for a start. You are certain Khan will have a better legacy than Froch? I was certain Audely was going to have a better legacy than Ali...

              Better than most 22 year old fighters? Yes, he has - well done to him. However, let's not get carried away, is he really the next Sanchez (no I don't want Khan to die)? I don't think so.

              Froch isn't getting the same numbers as he is not promoted by Warren! He's a loud mouth - he is exciting, he in undefeated. Everything the consumer wants - if Warren signed Froch you can bet your arse there would be some amazing adverts/media hype/good box office numbers and a WHOLE LOT OF BUMS.

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              • Libido Sanchez
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                #57
                If only Froch's skills were as good as his interviews. He really unloaded some zingers in this interview.

                Froch does have a decent chin though. Let's see how long it lasts.

                It'll be interesting to see what Khan does in 2010. Hopefully, as he keeps improving, so will his competition.

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                • PensionKiller
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Shattered Jaw
                  Froch is 32 for a start. You are certain Khan will have a better legacy than Froch? I was certain Audely was going to have a better legacy than Ali...

                  Better than most 22 year old fighters? Yes, he has - well done to him. However, let's not get carried away, is he really the next Sanchez (no I don't want Khan to die)? I don't think so.

                  Froch isn't getting the same numbers as he is not promoted by Warren! He's a loud mouth - he is exciting, he in undefeated. Everything the consumer wants - if Warren signed Froch you can bet your arse there would be some amazing adverts/media hype/good box office numbers and a WHOLE LOT OF BUMS.
                  Khan ws 18 or 19 at pro. Audley was 28/29?

                  comparing froch to ali must be a joe.

                  Take my bet or not?

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                  • Shattered Jaw
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by PensionKiller
                    Khan ws 18 or 19 at pro. Audley was 28/29?

                    comparing froch to ali must be a joe.

                    Take my bet or not?
                    Comparing Froch to Ali.....? Umm... never happened.

                    I'm not taking your bet - it's a toss up fight.

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                    • Ben_London
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                      #60
                      Froch is being a twat about Khan, the only thing I feel for Froch is that the television here in the UK have treated him badly.

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