To all Floyd fans...Williams would beat his ass and you know it.

[THE REED]

I'm not saying Floyd can't beat Williams ( I personally think he can) but it not fair to have a physical advantage over your opponent. So what your saying is that if Chad Dawson or BHop can make 147, they should fight Floyd or Manny Pacquiao?

Two guy 6 foot plus over guys under 5' 9"....Floyd and Manny talents will probably be negated because of the physical disadvantages that they have to overcome.

Weighting more than a guy is one thing but height and reach disadvantage is another....Paul has a longer arm span than Vladimir Klitchko.

No that's not what I am saying. BHOP and Chad Dawson have way more muscle than Paul Williams does. They are built up to be LHW's... there's not a possibility they could make 147, let alone 160lbs.

If Quintana can beat Williams at welterweight, then it basically proves it isn't "unfair" at all.

Also considering Paul Williams hunches over and fights on the inside half the time completely and utterly negates his height and reach advantages.

Williams doesn't even fight tall, or long.

[r.burgundy]

Its not bout height valaev vs haye,hagler vs hearns,tyson an dam near every hw ,find another excuse

heavys dont have to make weight genious.

[THE REED]

holding and clinching is also allowed.when done excessively you get a penalty.their should be a penalty for a coming into a fight 10lbs over the limit.if the sanctioning bodies hit these guys in the wallets,you would see alot less of it

Well thats all great and grand, but it isn't.

If he can make 147lbs, he has every right in boxing to be a legit WW.

If anything he is draining himself down to make that weight, which would make him weaker than he is at MW.

[jrosales13]

he's not a cheat by definition,but him and akot of fighters are skating the rules.just cause you can make 147 on 1 nite out a year doesnt make you 147.boxing needs to force anybody who comes into a fight 19lbs over after a weigh in to move up a class or 3.

But, how you do you know for a fact how much pounds a fighter gains over night? There is really no way of knowing how much P-Will has gained over night in any of his fights. If you can make 147 comfortably and still be effective than you are a WW. If he Williams was not a WW then he would be drained and weakened trying to make the weight. Which would benefit other WWs. So that means Williams would be in a disadvantage.

[r.burgundy]

No that's not what I am saying. BHOP and Chad Dawson have way more muscle than Paul Williams does. They are built up to be LHW's... there's not a possibility they could make 147, let alone 160lbs.

If Quintana can beat Williams at welterweight, then it basically proves it isn't "unfair" at all.

Also considering Paul Williams hunches over and fights on the inside half the time completely and utterly negates his height and reach advantages.

Williams doesn't even fight tall, or long.

no they arent.dawson maybe.but hops is very slim an made 160 for years.only reason why he left 160 was that there werent anymore fights to be made.he routinely weighed in at 159 an came into most fights at 165.a true proffesional.much like floyd an manny an the guys`who live disciplined outside the ring

[Queen_Leia]

No that's not what I am saying. BHOP and Chad Dawson have way more muscle than Paul Williams does. They are built up to be LHW's... there's not a possibility they could make 147, let alone 160lbs.

If Quintana can beat Williams at welterweight, then it basically proves it isn't "unfair" at all.

Also considering Paul Williams hunches over and fights on the inside half the time completely and utterly negates his height and reach advantages.

Williams doesn't even fight tall, or long.

More muscle? yeah you see, they have a physical disadvantage over their opponent. Why do people think that Floyd would lose to Williams anyway? Are they saying that Quintana is a better fighter than Floyd? Floyd defense is crazy, half of Williams punches won't even get through.

[THE REED]

More muscle? yeah you see, they have a physical disadvantage over their opponent. Why do people think that Floyd would lose to Williams anyway? Are they saying that Quintana is a better fighter than Floyd? Floyd defense is crazy, half of Williams punches won't even get through.

A guy who throws 100+punches a round fighting a guy who throws 30... it's going to be a close fight, whether half the punches get through or not.

And YEAH, BHOP and Dawson have more muscle than Williams. They are simply BIGGER than Paul Williams.

Williams is not a LHW, not even a legit SMW.

If you can make the weight limit, then you are a legal fighter in that class.

[Calilloyd]

I didn't know being a tall skeleton qualifies you to be a legit SMW and LHW.

Interesting.

WEIGHT classes, not HEIGHT classes.

Some people don't seem to understand that no matter how many times it's repeated.

[r.burgundy]

But, how you do you know for a fact how much pounds a fighter gains over night? There is really no way of knowing how much P-Will has gained over night in any of his fights. If you can make 147 comfortably and still be effective than you are a WW. If he Williams was not a WW then he would be drained and weakened trying to make the weight. Which would benefit other WWs. So that means Williams would be in a disadvantage.

hbo does unofficial weigh ins on the nite of the fight.thats how we know.willaims hasnt been givin the chance to be exposed because the top guys in that division wont fight him.cotto is a prime example of why weight drain is dangerous.at 140 his chin was very shaky,and once he stopped starving himself,his chin issues went away.

[THE REED]

no they arent.dawson maybe.but hops is very slim an made 160 for years.only reason why he left 160 was that there werent anymore fights to be made.he routinely weighed in at 159 an came into most fights at 165.a true proffesional.much like floyd an manny an the guys`who live disciplined outside the ring

Bernard is bigger at LHW then he used to be a MW.. it couldn't be more noticeable. Hopkins is slim, but Williams is skeletal slim.