What was bigger achievement pac beating cotto or jones beating ruiz?

[HaglerSteelChin]

LOL@ I know James Toney was taking horse tranquilizers but he knocked Ruiz Down...

Ruiz has done something Cotto has NEVER done and thats beat a legitimate TITLE Holder...he beat Holyfield for the WBA World heavyweight title & then lost that title to.................Roy Jones Jr.

FACT: Miguel Cotto has only won VACANT Title's

Ruiz also if not by a questionable decision would have been one of the few HW champs to win a title for a third time. He is not a great HW but is far from a tomato can. I think if Jones would have beat a smaller HW champ like Byrd it would have been less impressive.

[gqjohnb]

Pac gets more credit.

Not too many people gave Ruiz a chance in the first place.

I notice a lot of people say you should get more credit because you were the underdog. I just don't agree with this. I would give a little more credit to Roy though because have you guys ever heard of a guy moving into his fourth division in HW and fighting a guy who's 33 lbs. heavier. I hate to bring up the whole catchweight thing but even though I think the fight would've had the same result the catchweight makes it a lesser credit win. Not to mention manny is a natural WW/big LWW in my opinion while Roy wasn't a HW naturally.

[Spray_resistant]

I notice a lot of people say you should get more credit because you were the underdog. I just don't agree with this. I would give a little more credit to Roy though because have you guys ever heard of a guy moving into his fourth division in HW and fighting a guy who's 33 lbs. heavier. I hate to bring up the whole catchweight thing but even though I think the fight would've had the same result the catchweight makes it a lesser credit win. Not to mention manny is a natural WW/big LWW in my opinion while Roy wasn't a HW naturally.

I agree with this too, I never got why someone should get more credit because more ppl thought he would win anyway......what if he didn't win? what would that mean? I would just mean that alot of ppl were wrong but that has no real bearing on what happens in that ring.

[RockyB]

What was Hayes weight Disadvantage against Valuev? like 100 Pounds. SO Haye IS REALLY UNBELIEVABLE RITE?

i was just going to say this!

[bojangles1987]

RJ easily beating Ruiz is very underrated considering not many heavyweights could do that to Ruiz, but Pac fought Cotto's game and broke his will, which is more impressive to me.

[SplitSecond]

pacquiao is at his best weight right now, just right

roy jones was blown up, there is your differrence