Just saw the HBO replay... some thoughts of neutrality.

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only thing is, funeka throws more punches in one round than hopkins does in a fight..

more punches in one fight than hopkins did in his career...


hopkins = boring
funeka = potential to entertain

Oh, now you are making me remember those horrible memories of the Jermain Taylor fights.

First 8 rounds he averaged a whopping 19 punches.

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It was kind of a jab though

I didn't mean for it to be......but sometimes there is no nice way to say what you really mean......Cotto has courage and pride no doubt, but I question his mental toughness.....Guzman showed more to me in a similar situation and I can't help that this was the thought I just needed to convey to the board.

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I am talking about similar elements of one fight and two fighter's different reactions to similar stimuli......of course Cotto >>>>>>>Guzman.

i hear you but you have to take the opponents that guzman and cotto fought into consideration as well margs was a beast with a possible illegal advantage and pac is a completely different animal then funeka guzman did show a fighters heart by not quiting but so has cotto against the likes of clottey mosley and torres what guzman fought through last night was impressive but i dont see how it has anything to do with cotto

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only thing is, funeka throws more punches in one round than hopkins does in a fight..

more punches in one fight than hopkins did in his career...


hopkins = boring
funeka = potential to entertain

True but the physical resemblance is crazy. The punch output is a different story though, lol!! Funeka is a really tough, skilled guy, I like him.

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True but the physical resemblance is crazy. The punch output is a different story though, lol!! Funeka is a really tough, skilled guy, I like him.

ha, exactly why he reminds me of pwill

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i hear you but you have to take the opponents that guzman and cotto fought into consideration as well margs was a beast with a possible illegal advantage and pac is a completely different animal then funeka guzman did show a fighters heart by not quiting but so has cotto against the likes of clottey mosley and torres what guzman fought through last night was impressive but i dont see how it has anything to do with cotto

Cotto is clearly better than Guzman and has fought better opponents. I cannot help that when I saw the fight in some ways it started to unfold like the Cotto/Marg one in my mind......in psychology which I used to study we talk about fight or flight and your natural response is to choose one for whatever reason when presented with an uncomfortable situation.....Cotto under pressure from a fighter moves away and uses distance to avoid damage. Guzman went for it and did everything he could though it wasn't enough. Not really a knock on Cotto just and observation.

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Cotto is clearly better than Guzman and has fought better opponents. I cannot help that when I saw the fight in some ways it started to unfold like the Cotto/Marg one in my mind......in psychology which I used to study we talk about fight or flight and your natural response is to choose one for whatever reason when presented with an uncomfortable situation.....Cotto under pressure from a fighter moves away and uses distance to avoid damage. Guzman went for it and did everything he could though it wasn't enough. Not really a knock on Cotto just and observation.

i can see how you would come to that conclusion i just think that the opponents had a lot do with how the fights turn out and cotto has been in wars that he has fought back and won in the past. i do agree that since the margs fight cotto has not had that same killer instinct and pressure style and maybe the first loss being in such brutal fashion has taken a physical and mental toll on cotto.

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i can see how you would come to that conclusion i just think that the opponents had a lot do with how the fights turn out and cotto has been in wars that he has fought back and won in the past. i do agree that since the margs fight cotto has not had that same killer instinct and pressure style and maybe the first loss being in such brutal fashion has taken a physical and mental toll on cotto.

Have you heard Teddy Atlas's opinion about Cotto since Marg? I agree with him, could it be that mentally he would never have been able to deal with a pressure fighter with good power ? is that possible? Suppose Cotto fought Baldo next, would Baldo have a chance of stopping him?
All I am saying is I was impressed with Guzman though getting his ass kicked giving it everything he had in the end, and when I think of one thing usually the antithesis of what I am thinking of also comes to mind and the Cotto/Marg fight was the scenario that came up.

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Have you heard Teddy Atlas's opinion about Cotto since Marg? I agree with him, could it be that mentally he would never have been able to deal with a pressure fighter with good power ? is that possible? Suppose Cotto fought Baldo next, would Baldo have a chance of stopping him?
All I am saying is I was impressed with Guzman though getting his ass kicked giving it everything he had in the end, and when I think of one thing usually the antithesis of what I am thinking of also comes to mind and the Cotto/Marg fight was the scenario that came up.

yeah i have heard his opinion but i disagree i do agree with you to some point about cotto being affected mentally and maybe even physically after having his first proff loss in such a brutal fashion but cotto has fought pressure fighters before hard punchers before and has fought with a cut before so i think atlas is off base with his assesment cotto clearly has a weakness for guys who can take his punch and dont take a step backwards but i think against a guy like baldo he would dominate and fight through the pressure because of the opponent skill level which needs to be taken into consideration when looking at cottos losses to pac and his loss to margs which is still unknown if margs had an illegal advantage. you do have a point and we will see how cotto reacts when he gets back in the ring but my point is that when comparing how fighters react in certain situations you must take into consideration the opponents and circumstance of the fight.