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Was Kessler the number #1 168 Pounder Before fighting Ward?
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Originally posted by jrosales13 View PostWhat I am telling is that whoever has the better resume at 168 is the consensus the #1 guy. Was Ward win over kessler better than Bute win over Andrade? Probably so but was that win bigger cuz Ward opposition before Kessler was very low. Bute is 3-0 against top 10 fighters. Ward is 1-0. Are you honestly telling me that Ward has a better resume at 168 than Bute has?
Ward on the other hand, totally outclassed a fighter he was supposed to lose against and one that many looked upon as the best fighter at 168 and the one with the best resume.
Like I said, it depends what you put more stock into.
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Originally posted by jrosales13 View PostWhat I am telling is that whoever has the better resume at 168 is the consensus the #1 guy. Was Ward win over kessler better than Bute win over Andrade? Probably so but was that win bigger cuz Ward opposition before Kessler was very low. Bute is 3-0 against top 10 fighters. Ward is 1-0. Are you honestly telling me that Ward has a better resume at 168 than Bute has?
And say Ward was the #2 guy in the division, what would you say if he then went on to beat Taylor and Dirrell in the Super Six? Surely that would be a more impressive resume than Bute's, would you admit Ward was the best?
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Originally posted by onedream722 View Postthat dude is from texas he probably thinks that juarez did draw chris john... and diaz beat malignaggi...he's use to these controversial outcomes....bute was backpeddaling like a fcukin defensive back..to bad a hometown ref had to tell andrade to go into his corner where he already was, then didn't even start the count right away haha!!!!!!!!!!
BTW I had John clearly winning both fights. And, I had Malignnaggi winning a close fight. I didn't think it was a robbery like everybody else didLast edited by jrosales13; 11-29-2009, 02:43 AM.
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Originally posted by Madvillain View PostThis is where we split. But I'll say it, Ward beat the strongest opponent in the division. That takes precedence over... what? Surviving (impervious to pain or not) a VERY limited Andrade? a past his prime William Joppy? Suckio Bika?
And say Ward was the #2 guy in the division, what would you say if he then went on to beat Taylor and Dirrell in the Super Six? Surely that would be a more impressive resume than Bute's, would you admit Ward was the best?
Is rankings 1-10 you can move up and down by who you fight how impressive you look. Who other fighters are fighting. It can change. The only thing that can not change that way is lineal claim
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Originally posted by Shadows View PostI think people are looking into the fact that both Andrade and Bika are fairly limited brawlers that Bute should beat. Also, despite his knockout tonight, Bute was a bit fortunate in the first Andrade fight.
Ward on the other hand, totally outclassed a fighter he was supposed to lose against and one that many looked upon as the best fighter at 168 and the one with the best resume.
Like I said, it depends what you put more stock into.
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Originally posted by jrosales13 View PostIf he goes and beat Taylor and Dirrell then yes he would have a better resume than Bute. Where he could take over the #1 ranking. Again there is no lineal involved. You don't have to be the #1 rank guy to take over the spot.
Is rankings 1-10 you can move up and down by who you fight how impressive you look. Who other fighters are fighting. It can change. The only thing that can not change that way is lineal claim
I see what you're saying, but I can't agree.
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Originally posted by Carnivore View PostBefore fighting Ward, Kessler was ranked #3 by both BoxRec and the IBO, behind Bute and Abraham on BoxRec, and behind Bute and Froch on the IBO's ratings. Lets face it, he hadn't done much since Calzaghe.
Boxrec and IBO rankings are based on a computerized system, not on opinion.
Look at their ratings All Time for HW:
http://boxrec.com/ratings.php?countr...us=E&SUBMIT=Go
Do you agree with every one?
If you want to stick with computers with this sport, why bother even fighting?
Let's just stick them in a computer and press simulation.
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