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Was Kessler the number #1 168 Pounder Before fighting Ward?
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Originally posted by jrosales13 View PostDid Bute not clearly win that fight? Did Bute not clearly schooled Andrade until he ran out of gas? Did Bute not just KO'd a top 10 fighter who has never been KO'd before?
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Originally posted by jrosales13 View PostIs the real lineal championship vacant at 168? If you say yes then yes you don't have to beat the #1 rank guy to take over the #1 spot. Not if you think that Kessler was the real lineal champion then yes Ward is the man. But, if you believe Kessler was the lineal champ you would be wrong.
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Originally posted by jrosales13 View PostDid Bute not clearly win that fight? Did Bute not clearly schooled Andrade until he ran out of gas? Did Bute not just KO'd a top 10 fighter who has never been KO'd before?
But this is the point. Kessler didnt' have to rematch him. Kessler didn't gas. Kessler beat him for every second of every round. Bute can not claim the same.
Does that make him better than Bute? Perhaps not. Regardless, in divisional rankings, you don't rank based upon what could happen, but what did happen.
What did happen is this....
Kessler beat Andrade better than Bute did. Overall, perhaps not. But, it also didn't take him two tries.
Kessler didn't get knocked down in his fight with the biggest and only significant fighter on Bute's resume.
Kessler had faced the better opposition and Ward beat him. Ward also got a title, and TWO, not one, named fighter on his ledger, with less fights.
Ward might lose to Bute. But this isn't p4p rankings. This is based upon the work you've done, not the work you might be able to do.
Ward > Bute (in terms of 168 rankings.)
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Originally posted by onedream722 View Postshould he have one the first fight? if u believe so then jermain taylor should have beat froch too then right since he gassed at the end...seeing how he and bute both got knocked out...bute was runnin for his life like a lil girl
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Originally posted by jrosales13 View PostSo Miranda wasn't ranked. You can even argue that Miranda was some what washed up... Yes Kessler was ranked higher than Andrade. But, can you definitely say Ward resume at 168 is better than Bute resume is?
Kessler is ranked higher than Bute AND Andrade.
Even if you take out Miranda, factor this in.
Kessler had the better resume than Andrade and Bute, combined. And Ward beat the guy who beat the guy who almost KO'd Bute. And he did it with less experience and fights.
It's just not realistic to assume that somehow Bute ranks higher then the guy who can claim all this.
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Originally posted by jrosales13 View PostYes Bute should of won the first fight... What fight did you watch? Did Bute not beat the count? Could Taylor have continued against Froch? Bad comparison bro. It doesn't mattered if he had to "run for his life like a lil girl" He survived and he won. He deserved to win. He won clearly...
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Originally posted by Madvillain View PostThe lineal title has nothing to do with it. Ward destroys the consensus best Super Middleweight in the world, Bute beats a guy generally to considered to be somewhere between #4 - #6. Are you honestly telling me Bute's win was more significant than Wards?
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Originally posted by Madvillain View PostThe truth.
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