..WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO: What If He Faces And Beats...

[Kevin Jesus]

If I remember correctly, Vitali stopped Peter, not Wladimir.

I know, I edited right away. I got confused for a sec there

[MidnightSpecial]

i respect these guys and they are good champions. the do alot of good around the world but...

to me you cant be considered ATG unless you have signature wins and have faced quality opposition. Even if these guys were american i would feel the same. These guys are ATHLETES and they beat up on rolly pollies. its not there fault its just that there arent any other athletes in the heavyweight division.

Vitali is more deserving than Wladimir but Vitali lost to the only true opposition he has had (lennox lewis) even though he lost due to the cut.

but i dont really see these guys being able to stand toe to toe with the heavyweights of the 90's (tyson, lewis, holyfield) so its hard to rank them.

but like i said these guys are good its just really really hard to know how good they are until a signature win that makes us go oh **** these guys are really the best.

[THe TRiNiTY]

I know, I edited right away. I got confused for a sec there

Happens to the best of us. Lol.

[Khalid X]

He's not beating Chambers.

you can change your sig as to a beat with OSIRIS instead of MikeDB as I have changed my user name. BTW Wlad is still sonning Eddie Chambers

[Glamour Puss]

They're both easily top 20 ATG's.

Nobody's gonna beat them as long as they stay healthy.

Tua will get ktfo against either bro. Haye gets dusted. Povetkin gets brutalized.

Chambers has a chance, but only a small one.

I disagree w/ anyone that blames the division. The Klitschko's could beat any Hw's of any era.

[Lead Cenobite]

i'd say he could be at top25 hws? I think Tua has a very pretty good chance to get inside and throu his right hook. Tua weighs less, than he has ever been. other than that there is no good competition for him.

Tua has a punchers chance but 90 percent likely outcome is Tua gets smashed.

[Khalid X]

The HW is a weak division comment is correct but it's also the Klitschko's who make it a weak division because they are so much better than the rest.

There are decent-good boxers at HW but is that the Klitschko's can hang with any era. They have a jab, power, and they actually move around the ring and box their opponents not only stand and fight.

I agree 100%. Who is to say these are pretty good heavyweight and the klitschko's just make them look bad. Arreola is an example as I believe he could have been a very legit HW during the 90's. Same with a few other opponents they faced...it's just they are that much better than everyone else.

If it wasn't for their other fights, Cotto, Hatton, Barrera and De La Hoya would all look like bums if the only good fight you seen them in was against Pacquiao. Same with Corrales, Marquez when they went against Floyd. Those opponents the Klitschko's face could be good also, but its the Klitschko's that make them look like bums.

[Khalid X]

They're both easily top 20 ATG's.

Nobody's gonna beat them as long as they stay healthy.

Tua will get ktfo against either bro. Haye gets dusted. Povetkin gets brutalized.

Chambers has a chance, but only a small one.

I disagree w/ anyone that blames the division. The Klitschko's could beat any Hw's of any era.

I also agree with this statement about the Klitschko's could beat any HW of any era. Only a blind man or a hater would say the opposite. Both are very big, strong, excellent boxers and are two of the smartest HW's off all-time. If it wasn't for two freak accidents, Vitali would be undefeated and a lock for top 10 HW of all-time.

[MidnightSpecial]

They're both easily top 20 ATG's.

Nobody's gonna beat them as long as they stay healthy.

Tua will get ktfo against either bro. Haye gets dusted. Povetkin gets brutalized.

Chambers has a chance, but only a small one.

I disagree w/ anyone that blames the division. The Klitschko's could beat any Hw's of any era.

So chambers has a chance but both brothers would clean up any heavyweight from any era? come on now.

These guys are good but we probably wont ever know how good because there are no athletic heavyweights plain and simple. its just a bunch of fat kids so of course they are gonna steam roll.

some people they would never beat:
-Mike Tyson
-Larry Holmes
-Evander Holyfield
-Muhammed Ali
-Sonny Liston
-Gene Tunney

Vitali has the best resume and to me is a top 50 ATG based on pure genetics alone... if the guy had some opposition then i would reconsider him.

But as for Wladimir he has more to prove. Mainly his chin.

I say all this at the risk of sounding like a hater but its truely my honest opinion. like ive said before i like these guys as human beings and as fighters but i just dont know about their legacys.

Edit: also Wladdy likes to throw out excuses alot and maybe that subconsiously makes me not like him. the whole poisoning thing was a joke!

[STILL_DETOX]

he will be an ATG in my book