What if Ruiz Actually Won against Toney?!

[enadeus]

I can't believe you bet for Judah against Tszyu, fight might not happen anyways, but Judah would lose in the rematch. Tszyu is the best right now at 140 and I would guess going to 147 is no big woop. He is definetly #1 at pound for pound. I would hate to see McKay the biggest idiot ever win this bet.

[abdiel2k3]

ruiz would prolly get no credit
instead toney would have all along been a chump "playing" Heaveyweight
who did pound on an old Holyfield

[boxerman]

Toney isn't near as fast as Roy Jones Jr. Not even when they were the same weight. Remeber Jones doing that Chicken dance thing to Toney. Then Toney copied it and Jones popped him and knocked him down. Point being ( weak one i know ), he just isnt fast enough to stay outside and take pot shots at ruiz like jones did. He is going to have to fight him like a heavyweight, and well, toney is a heavyweight due to the ingestion of lots and lots of calories. I think the emotional money is going to be on Toney, jsut because people want to see him win. But the smart bet, at heavy, would be Ruiz.

[abdiel2k3]

Toney isn't near as fast as Roy Jones Jr. Not even when they were the same weight. Remeber Jones doing that Chicken dance thing to Toney. Then Toney copied it and Jones popped him and knocked him down. Point being ( weak one i know ), he just isnt fast enough to stay outside and take pot shots at ruiz like jones did. He is going to have to fight him like a heavyweight, and well, toney is a heavyweight due to the ingestion of lots and lots of calories. I think the emotional money is going to be on Toney, jsut because people want to see him win. But the smart bet, at heavy, would be Ruiz.

No question he aint as qucik as jones
no one is
no one will beat ruiz like jones did
but it will be similar
hes still quicker den ruiz
i think itll look lil like a slowd down version of jones-ruiz
with a lil more mixing up
cuz i think if toney feels he hurts him
hes gonna go for it more so den jones would have or did

[The Troll]

Toney isn't near as fast as Roy Jones Jr. Not even when they were the same weight. Remeber Jones doing that Chicken dance thing to Toney. Then Toney copied it and Jones popped him and knocked him down. Point being ( weak one i know ), he just isnt fast enough to stay outside and take pot shots at ruiz like jones did. He is going to have to fight him like a heavyweight, and well, toney is a heavyweight due to the ingestion of lots and lots of calories. I think the emotional money is going to be on Toney, jsut because people want to see him win. But the smart bet, at heavy, would be Ruiz.

Jones just has the worst style for Toney that any fighter could have. Where he keeps his hands way in front and his body way back behind his hands, he does not com forward ever and leaves no opportunity for counterpunching. Jones has a freakish unorthodox style that is just costum made to win descisions against Toney. Roy Jones is kinda like John Ruiz in alot of ways, he wins fights, but the style he does it in is kinda ugly, unless your a big fan of Roy Jones unorthodox boxing style.

He is not nearly as boring as Ruiz, but he wins wide UD's often without landing any significant power shots in an entire fight. When he fights quality opposition he wins that way. Against lesser fighters he'll land flashy combo's and ****.

[guru]

toney is not going to win the same way jones did, but he is gonna win.. toney is a master boxer and ruiz isn't good enough to deal with it.. the fight won't be close, but it wont be as one sided as ruiz/jones...

[oldgringo]

says toney was down in the secodn agaisnt a guy named reggie johnson, was he hurt then. toney is a fat ass hes a middleweight who couldnt even make light heavyweight weight anymore.


doesnt really have that many names on his record. i mean wasnt mccallum liek 41 and toney barely could beat him needed 2 chances? guy also barley could beat this sosa guy? i will say this he has alot of fights for a fat boy

guess he has reggie johnson and micheal nunn.

I saw the Toney KD from Johnson and from what I recall he wasn't hurt or in trouble at all. I mean, Marvin Hagler was KD'ed by Roldan but it's really not a big deal now is it. Point being, Toney has never been in trouble in his entire career and theres no reason to believe that Ruiz will change that. The whole "fat ass" middleweight thing is played out too. I'm glad that you think it's humorous, but you really just sound like a broken record.

Toney doesn't have a lot of names? You really are new to the sport aren't you. Toney has beaten Nunn, McCallum 3 times IMO, Barkley, Jirov...and smaller time, yet still tough opponents like 24-0 Littles, 18-0 Sosa, and Prince Charles Williams. McCallum was up there in years, but just a year or two before had beaten guys like Watson, Collins, Kalambay, and Graham. He was still a very tough opponent.

[boxerman]

This fight is really getting more and more interesting to me. Ruiz tried to box with Roy Jones more than he did with his other opponents. Whether or not it was b/c of the ref or not i cant say. Maybe he wanted to try and show people he could box ( he does think he can ). If it becomes a fight like he normally fights. Throws a combo or one punch and then clinches, he has a decent shot to win. Its ugly as hell, but I'm starting to respect the guy more and more for finding ways to win. Guess he's a raiders fan and goes by that ****** "just win baby" slogan.

[MetalVomit]

Just to let you know i think this is highly unlikley, but still. Can Ruiz actually put up a good enough performance to win? What if he *gasp* KO'd Toney? What would your innitial reaction be?

the only way Ruiz can win against a decent fighter is to illegally man-hug his opponent. If he wins by man hugging Toney and the ref allows it(Don King anyone?), I still give him no respect. Ruiz doesnt deserve any credit, all of his "wins" are due to don king.

[mic573]

I don't think anybody should be suprised if Ruiz wins. How many times has Ruiz been counted out in a fight only to win with his ugly style?