After re-watching Floyd - Marquez

[DLT]

I'll put it to you Floyd fans this way. . .When Vitali Klitschko one week after Floyd's fight, was able to land and throw more punches in 10 rounds than what Floyd did with Marquez, I too noticed it. In my not so humble opinion Floyd would trouble Pacquiao with his defense, but he won't be able to fend him off because 1) He doesn't throw as much as he should to keep Pacquiao at bay
and 2) He doesn't appear to have that added umph it would require to keep Pacquiao from coming in. I am anticipating this fight as much as everyone but my early diagnosis has Pacquiao getting to Mayweather and perhaps even stopping him. Anyone else agree?

I hate it when people say that. Did you guys even watch the Vitali fight? Come on now. Thats not even real boxing. There is no HW that can even hit either of the Klit bros right now and its not because they have great D. They are just too big and the refs let them keep that illegal stiff arm out there all fight. No one ever lands anymore and then they can lean on you. All that stuff he threw was garbage. It looked like straight crap but guys are just too small to do anything about it. Please dont compare Floyd's size advantage to Vitali's and please dont compare Arreola as an opponent to the #2 P4P fighter in the world. It doesnt hold up

[joeka87]

WHose face was worse? Arreola's after 10 rounds with Vitali or Marquez after 12 with Mayweather? Although it would seem as if Vitali doesn't throw with much authority, all you have to do is look at his Knockout resume and you would notice that he was all but 3 fights coming by way of Knockout. The man can hit hard. Floyd doesn't hit half as hard as the other top welterweights (Mosley, Cotto, Margarito).

[DLT]

WHose face was worse? Arreola's after 10 rounds with Vitali or Marquez after 12 with Mayweather? Although it would seem as if Vitali doesn't throw with much authority, all you have to do is look at his Knockout resume and you would notice that he was all but 3 fights coming by way of Knockout. The man can hit hard. Floyd doesn't hit half as hard as the other top welterweights (Mosley, Cotto, Margarito).

What does that have to do with anything? Who's arguing that? How hard does Sweet Pea hit? Klit bros dont hit super hard. They are just way bigger than everyone else and land at will on the smaller guys who are desperate to get in and that they are punching down at. All that adds to them pumbling guys but lets not act like the HW division has so many stars in it

[mushahadeen]

Floyd Mayweather, Jr. couldn't knock out a 36-year-old, 20 lbs. overweight Marquez. He sucks balls.

[joeka87]

Wait a minute. . .Wasn't Floyd waaay bigger than Marquez the night of the fight also??? Where is your logic? Klitschko is a Heavyweight, and Arreola is also a Heavyweight. To my understanding, Floyd didn't make weight vs. Marquez, and yet he couldn't Knock him Out? I know Marquez is tough as nails, but even Pacquiao had him floored 4 times. A bigger Floyd was unable to stop a bloated lightweight? Floyd's power is of great concern my friend. Especially after witnessing that Pac was able to take some of Cotto's best shots. I highly doubt Floyd can hurt Pac.

[MindBat]

I'll put it to you Floyd fans this way. . .When Vitali Klitschko one week after Floyd's fight, was able to land and throw more punches in 10 rounds than what Floyd did with Marquez, I too noticed it. In my not so humble opinion Floyd would trouble Pacquiao with his defense, but he won't be able to fend him off because 1) He doesn't throw as much as he should to keep Pacquiao at bay
and 2) He doesn't appear to have that added umph it would require to keep Pacquiao from coming in. I am anticipating this fight as much as everyone but my early diagnosis has Pacquiao getting to Mayweather and perhaps even stopping him. Anyone else agree?

Vitali performed quite well and impressed even me. And it's a good possibility Pac can get the best of Floyd, cause i have no doubt Pac is coming in at his best. He has to. But, Floyd is not sleeping on him.

If Manny beats Floyd, he deserves all the praise he gets. He'll be the true P4P king without question.

However, Freddie trained a better version of Oscar against Floyd to the point of hiring Mosley to help with the sparring. The Oscar who hired Floyd's dad for a few fights, and he still couldn't beat Floyd.

AND Floyd beat him at a higher weight, in a ring, glove size make and model, all chosen by Oscar. Not to mention Oscar was the taller of the two.

[DLT]

Wait a minute. . .Wasn't Floyd waaay bigger than Marquez the night of the fight also??? Where is your logic? Klitschko is a Heavyweight, and Arreola is also a Heavyweight. To my understanding, Floyd didn't make weight vs. Marquez, and yet he couldn't Knock him Out? I know Marquez is tough as nails, but even Pacquiao had him floored 4 times. A bigger Floyd was unable to stop a bloated lightweight? Floyd's power is of great concern my friend. Especially after witnessing that Pac was able to take some of Cotto's best shots. I highly doubt Floyd can hurt Pac.

Stop acting like you are telling me something new when I already addressed that stuff in this same thread with other posters. I said Floyd was bigger than JMM but that was still nothing compared to the size advantage Vitali had on Cris. It jus wasnt. Floyd had probably 5 pounds on JMM in the ring. Floyd was probably 152 which Manny Steward and Nacho himself said and JMM was probably 148. Vitali is way over Arreola. Stop trying to compare the 2. Its not the same at all. Its like saying that Cotto shouldve done to Pac what Vitali does to the HW's. Most of the HW's cant land a single punch on the Klit bros due to the size and the fact that they can use the stiff arm and grab. Its impossible to hit them and it has nothing to do with them having great D. So what that Pac dropped JMM 4 times. He dropped him 3 time in round 1 of the 1st fight and only once in there last 23 rounds. Floyd dropped him once also.

Why are you foolish like the others in saying that Floyd is supposed to do what Pac does? They are different fighters. Pac is a power fighter. Pac also lost to JMM in both fights in alot of peoples mind but Floyd shut JMM out. They just have 2 different styles. It doesnt mean that Floyd sucks. Also, Pac didnt get hit much by Cotto. Cotto landed all jabs in round 1 and basically didnt land anything after round 5. Pac took about 3 rounds of shots and he was landing at the same time. People need to stop acting like Cotto hit Pac so much and he kept going. He didnt. Floyd will be hitting him for 12 rounds and Floyd will be throwing shots down the pipe, not looping shots like Cotto which Pac is blocking all of them. Even so, if Floyd doesnt stop him then what? Does that mean he doesnt win? You act like Floyd needs to knock him out. Even JMM buzzed Pac a few times. Its not all about power, its about timing

[tommy boo boxer]

WHose face was worse? Arreola's after 10 rounds with Vitali or Marquez after 12 with Mayweather? Although it would seem as if Vitali doesn't throw with much authority, all you have to do is look at his Knockout resume and you would notice that he was all but 3 fights coming by way of Knockout. The man can hit hard. Floyd doesn't hit half as hard as the other top welterweights (Mosley, Cotto, Margarito).

are you comparing heavyweights to welterweights?

are you serious?

[Pacdbest]

Stop acting like you are telling me something new when I already addressed that stuff in this same thread with other posters. I said Floyd was bigger than JMM but that was still nothing compared to the size advantage Vitali had on Cris. It jus wasnt. Floyd had probably 5 pounds on JMM in the ring. Floyd was probably 152 which Manny Steward and Nacho himself said and JMM was probably 148. Vitali is way over Arreola. Stop trying to compare the 2. Its not the same at all. Its like saying that Cotto shouldve done to Pac what Vitali does to the HW's. Most of the HW's cant land a single punch on the Klit bros due to the size and the fact that they can use the stiff arm and grab. Its impossible to hit them and it has nothing to do with them having great D. So what that Pac dropped JMM 4 times. He dropped him 3 time in round 1 of the 1st fight and only once in there last 23 rounds. Floyd dropped him once also.

Why are you foolish like the others in saying that Floyd is supposed to do what Pac does? They are different fighters. Pac is a power fighter. Pac also lost to JMM in both fights in alot of peoples mind but Floyd shut JMM out. They just have 2 different styles. It doesnt mean that Floyd sucks. Also, Pac didnt get hit much by Cotto. Cotto landed all jabs in round 1 and basically didnt land anything after round 5. Pac took about 3 rounds of shots and he was landing at the same time. People need to stop acting like Cotto hit Pac so much and he kept going. He didnt. Floyd will be hitting him for 12 rounds and Floyd will be throwing shots down the pipe, not looping shots like Cotto which Pac is blocking all of them. Even so, if Floyd doesnt stop him then what? Does that mean he doesnt win? You act like Floyd needs to knock him out. Even JMM buzzed Pac a few times. Its not all about power, its about timing

Floyd camp said they will be dissapointed if They didn't KO JMM. Is that means His performance was dissapointing??? Floyd has all the advantages & He didn't get close to KOing JMM.

What do you think will happen to JMM now If pac will fight him at 145??? Do you think JMM will survive the Healthy, well filled, & Muscular Pac?? PBF fought the older, slower, fatter version of JMM & he failed to KO JMM.

I heard about that timing thing from Hatton to DLH & from Cotto camp. Everybody failed misserably with Pac.

I don't wanna discuss this anymore. I don't want to scare Floydie!!! He might back out!!!

[Pullcounter]

i gotta admit, vitaly's performance was offensivelly better than floyd's... floyd just doesn't let them hands go anymore, even against a LW.... personally I don't get it.

that said, oreo-la is a fat bastard and basically a punching bag.