Gene Tunney is an atg??? Why did he hold so much?

[SplitSecond]

i read an article where the guy was agreeing with what happened in Dirrell-Froch, he said more refs should be as strict about that as it is not part of boxing and is actually 'illegal',
he later goes on to say, if a fighter is hurt and trying to survive, by all means he should hang on, but it should'nt be imployed as part of boxing where you throw a punch, hug your opponent and prevent them from throwing as it is taking away from the sport

and some other bull****, it was a long ass article just on grappling...

[Benny Leonard]

i read an article where the guy was agreeing with what happened in Dirrell-Froch, he said more refs should be as strict about that as it is not part of boxing and is actually 'illegal',
he later goes on to say, if a fighter is hurt and trying to survive, by all means he should hang on, but it should'nt be imployed as part of boxing where you throw a punch, hug your opponent and prevent them from throwing as it is taking away from the sport

and some other bull****, it was a long ass article just on grappling...

I'm for less holding. What Dirrell did was ****.

[SplitSecond]

what hopkins does is better?

[Benny Leonard]

what hopkins does is better?

Not what he became...no...didn't like watching him after a certain point. At his best he didn't hold like he did later because of age.

There is a list of ATG fighters that used holding at one point or another without being hurt...just to conserve stamina....or to wear out the opponent. More fighters did it back in the day and still do it today.

[SplitSecond]

Not what he became...no...didn't like watching him after a certain point. At his best he didn't hold like he did later because of age.

There is a list of ATG fighters that used holding at one point or another without being hurt...just to conserve stamina....or to wear out the opponent. More fighters did it back in the day and still do it today.

say it benny, say roy jones fought a prime hopkins, say it and i'll send you some green and a best friends forever invite

[Benny Leonard]

say it benny, say roy jones fought a prime hopkins, say it and i'll send you some green and a best friends forever invite

**** the K...don't need it.

You have never read my post on the matter?

Well what I said before was that Hopkins "was not Green" like many others did. I noted that in jail he was boxing champ and training. He was also old enough to where his body was matured as a man, as well as him having around the same amount of Pro fights as Jones Jr (who was also better at 168 so he wasn't at his peak yet)...and Hopkins was the #1 rated fighter when he fought Jones Jr. for the title. I've also said that it was Hopkins who continued to refuse the rematch and not Jones who was willing to get the fight made so it tells you right there that Hopkins knew he wasn't going to beat him...not as long as Jones was Prime. I've also gone further and said that Hopkins liked to keep Jones Jr.'s name in the discussion because it helped promote his name...kind of like how Hatton used to do it with Floyd.

I've also said that like Jones Jr. when he came down in weight and was drained and dead, Hopkins got Tarver at the right time when he dropped the weight.

Jones Jr > Hopkins

O, and I'm from Philly saying this so no bias...just seeing it like I see it.

[SplitSecond]

i knew you'd have the right answer
it's not often i disagree with your opinions, great(or atleast subjective) minds think alike