does trinidad cheat?

[{BrownBomber}]

I was thinking in a different way. He does what ever it takes t win, including low blows as a fight plan. He hit Vargas with like 5 or so. I think that was a big factor , even if Vargas took ten min. off it takes your power and endurance away.

[mic573]

It was nothing more than a mind game played by Hopkins that night. Bouie Fischer and Nazeem Richardson both said that there was nothing wrong with his handwraps. There was also an article on some website in response to the article Steve Kim wrote where several trainers were asked about the wraps and they all said that you can't gain power by the way a fighter wraps his hands. The NYSAC even had Trinidad Sr. demonstrate the wrapping before the Mayorga fight and they approved it.

[simeraksou]

technically, it can cause the KO. for example, suppose you had a boxing glove on that was a bowling ball that you drilled a hole through and put your hand in. that would cause a KO even if you had little KO power without the bowling ball boxing glove on

[DLT]

It was nothing more than a mind game played by Hopkins that night. Bouie Fischer and Nazeem Richardson both said that there was nothing wrong with his handwraps. There was also an article on some website in response to the article Steve Kim wrote where several trainers were asked about the wraps and they all said that you can't gain power by the way a fighter wraps his hands. The NYSAC even had Trinidad Sr. demonstrate the wrapping before the Mayorga fight and they approved it.

All I know is Hopkins is the only guy who made him change the hand wrap and that fight was the weakest I've ever seen Tito look. The other thing that was strange about it was Tito's reaction. He was threating to not fight and he might wouldnt have if the fight was in The Garden infront of alot of his people and also right after 911. He also seemed less confident when he was fighting and I'm talking about early in the fight. Sometimes he was in postition to throw bombs and he didnt even let his hands go and when he did punch Bernard he looked way less powerful. Dont give me that **** either about X chin because you can tell when someone is landing hard or isnt. I've seen Tito hit people before and it didnt hurt them but you could still tell that it was a hard punch but in the Hopkins fight none of the punches were hard.

[DJ OxXx]

technically, it can cause the KO. for example, suppose you had a boxing glove on that was a bowling ball that you drilled a hole through and put your hand in. that would cause a KO even if you had little KO power without the bowling ball boxing glove on

That has to be the most ignorant thing I have ever heard anyone say. A bowling ball probably ways 50X more than hand wraps. Changing the way someone wraps there hands is not gonna add an extra 10 pounds to thier hands.

[mic573]

How can you tell from that fight when Tito barely landed a punch on Hopkins the entire fight. The punches he did land even Hopkins admitted that he definitely felt them. He also said when Tito landed the only real flush left hook in the fight that he didn't want to get hit with that punch again. This is all from Hopkins mouth in the interview he did with The Ring magazine after the fight.

[DJ OxXx]

All I know is Hopkins is the only guy who made him change the hand wrap and that fight was the weakest I've ever seen Tito look. The other thing that was strange about it was Tito's reaction. He was threating to not fight and he might wouldnt have if the fight was in The Garden infront of alot of his people and also right after 911. He also seemed less confident when he was fighting and I'm talking about early in the fight. Sometimes he was in postition to throw bombs and he didnt even let his hands go and when he did punch Bernard he looked way less powerful. Dont give me that **** either about X chin because you can tell when someone is landing hard or isnt. I've seen Tito hit people before and it didnt hurt them but you could still tell that it was a hard punch but in the Hopkins fight none of the punches were hard.

The reason why Hopkins was able to take Trinidads punches is because he was prepared to, not because trinidads hands were wrapped different. Hopkins studied Trinidad like a book, so he knew everything that was comming his way. Just Like what Holyfield did to Tyson. Why didn't Tysons punches effect Holyfield like they did everyone else? The same reasons why Titos punches didn't effect hopkins. NOT HAND WRAPS DAMNIT

[DLT]

That has to be the most ignorant thing I have ever heard anyone say. A bowling ball probably ways 50X more than hand wraps. Changing the way someone wraps there hands is not gonna add an extra 10 pounds to thier hands.

Dude do you now how hard that tape is? Do you know how many times they wrap it around your hands. That **** can be as solid as brass knuckels if you do them illegal. I just thought of something too. One day I saw a clip of Tito and he was sitting there with his gloves off then I think he looked at the camera and put his finger up like saying he was #1 and I looked at his hands and they were ****ing huge. It looked just like he put brass knuckles on his hands and then put tape over top of it. His hand looked way bigger than any boxer I've ever seen. I would just like to see him fight one of the top guys like Winky or Oscar and I gurantee you there going to make him wrap his hands a certain way and then I want to see how much power does he have

[DLT]

The reason why Hopkins was able to take Trinidads punches is because he was prepared to, not because trinidads hands were wrapped different. Hopkins studied Trinidad like a book, so he knew everything that was comming his way. Just Like what Holyfield did to Tyson. Why didn't Tysons punches effect Holyfield like they did everyone else? The same reasons why Titos punches didn't effect hopkins. NOT HAND WRAPS DAMNIT

Tyson was basicaly washed up when he faught Holy. He never hurt any of the top guys he faught after prison. You think no one else was prepared for Tito besides X

[DLT]

How can you tell from that fight when Tito barely landed a punch on Hopkins the entire fight. The punches he did land even Hopkins admitted that he definitely felt them. He also said when Tito landed the only real flush left hook in the fight that he didn't want to get hit with that punch again. This is all from Hopkins mouth in the interview he did with The Ring magazine after the fight.

I dont know where you got that from. That must have been when X was trying to get a rematch witho Tito and was just trying to be nice. Every interview I've seen X give including the one with Merchant right after the fight which I have on tape he says that Tito never hurt him. I've even heard him say that Tito hits like his grandma. How can you say Tito never landed on X. He landed alot of punches too. There were alot of exchanges in the fight but X won every one of them. Tito went down fighting to the end. Look man I'm not a Tito hater. I love Tito but I have seen him ruin Joppy, Vargas, and Reid and all have said that they have never been hit like that before and they all cant take any punches now. Then after what X made him do with the gloves you just have to wonder