Jirov wins

[Stickman]

Moore is not that bad of a fighter he has an extensive amateur backround, and he has really good power and he just got lucky in the Jirov fight and caught Jirov. Nothing to it really. All those people that say Jirov was ruined by Toney are morons. He is going to enter into his prime right now. He fought well in last 3 fights at heavyweight even though he lost 2 of the of the last 3. Against Moore he was winning almost every round but Moore got a lucky punch in, against Mesi he was being outboxed but he knocked Mesi down 3 times in the last round, and he won tonight. At cruiserweight he is going to do some serious damage. Jirov is fighter that looses sometimes but he never looses bad, everytime he looses he looses in good fashion. Kinda like Gatti and some other fighters, he gains popularity even in "defeat."

Well, it wasn't a lucky punch...Moorer was just waiting until later rounds to start unloading, when he'd have a better chance of catching Jirov. It worked. Moorer is a great fighter, with alot of experience, but his weight is going to be a problem from what I saw against Jirov. Had Vassily had more power, Moorer would've gotten in trouble early and wouldn't have had the luxury of being able to wait for later rounds.

[Kid Achilles]

Stickman,

I disagree with you on Mormeck in that fight. To me Braithwait looked a lot more relaxed in his posture and overall more athletic. I think in the later rounds he slowed down but early on he was the quicker man with better hands. Mormeck is just an immovable object and strong as hell. He won that fight by imposing his will through strength and size.

Overall, it was awesome fight in which both guys displayed guts and looked formidable. Either one would give Jirov a great fight and would have a chance at beating him.

[Stickman]

To me, it seemed like Mormeck was playing the safe route early on, pressuring, keeping his defense tight and using experience inside to tag Braithwaite, and that later in the fight he simply realized that the kid he was in the ring with wasn't as superior as he'd thought he might be, and loosened up more, doing more from outside...Which surprised the **** out of me...I'd seen a few clips of Mormeck, and I would've bet alot of money that he'd never, at any point, outbox Wayne from outside. I have to say that Mormeck was probably the most surprising boxer I'd ever seen for a first showing. I'd never seen the guy fight before. Heard about him, sure, and seen the odd clip here and there. That performance just impressed the hell out of me. I'm a fan of Wayne Braithwaite, have been since I first saw him fight. The kid's got great talent, good instincts, power and handspeed, but he was just outclassed by Mormeck, and beaten by experience. I may never get over it


Oh, also...I completely agree with you about the fight being fantastic. It's one of the best cruiser fights I've ever had the pleasure of watching, and it'll have it's own place of honor in my collection of fights.

[Kid Achilles]

I can't wait to see where Mormeck goes next. I hope he avoids the temptation of the fame and $$ that HW brings. He could be a very dominant champion at CW. Jirov dropping back to cruiser would be a great match. Actually, he could even fight Jirov at HW if he wanted, but I hope he wouldn't stray too far up in weight. He's 5'11", and just doesn't have a Frazier or Tyson's upper body movement to be effective against the biggest HW's.

A rematch with Braithwaite would also be excellent.

[Stickman]

Yep, I wouldn't mind seeing a Braithwaite rematch myself. I think the kid learned a helluva lot during that fight, and would come to a rematch ready to put on an even better show than the first one, and he'd have a better chance of a win, being more prepared. I still feel like Mormeck is just a bit too much for him, but I definitely believe it would be a closer fight.

[Diricul]

Jirov's defense is awful, and he CAN'T COUNTERPUNCH, he's like a bigger version of Ike Quartey, he waits for the opponent to finish the combo, then fires a combo of his own, it's boring to watch and is never effective vs. quality fighters....Jirov won the I. B.e F.raudulent belt vs. Arthur Williams....so far that's the biggest victory of his 9 year career....Arthur Williams, think about it people...

I'd agree with you some years ago. But in the bout with Mesi he showed that he can be a great fighter. Powerful Joe made him move and seek decisions. And Vassily won that fight.
I think the victory in that fight gave him too big selfconfidence and that’s why he lost to Moorer. Good trainer could help him to capture some heights of heavyweight division. If he become careful he could simply become top contender.

Moorer is bad fighter

You know I truly believe that Vassily could KO THAT Moorer in their bout. But in the early 90ies Moorer was much better than Jirov. Young Moorer would destroy Jirov without some problems.

Moore is not that bad of a fighter he has an extensive amateur backround, and he has really good power and he just got lucky in the Jirov fight and caught Jirov.

Vassily was trying to break Moorer. He was standing and hitting. And Moorer who was heavier by 30 lbs was simply answering. One of the Moorers’ punches must become lucky and it did.

Jirov is good boxer but not in heavyweight.

He should know his advantages and disadvantages but he tries to break the guys who are much bigger than him. It’s not right.

If the guy's defense was as good as his offense, I'd say that he could be the top cruiserweight, or a top-ten heavyweight. But unless he does some HUGE work on his defense, it's never gonna happen.

For sure you’re right but his main problem is psychology. He wants to beat lions and do it like a lion. But he is a wolf and must fight like a wolf.
In the Mesi fight I saw him moving for the first time. Before that fight he didn’t need it.
And it was the first and the last time he used it.

Moorer is bad fighter

You know I truly believe that Vassily could KO THAT Moorer in their bout. But in the early 90ies Moorer was much better than Jirov. Young Moorer would destroy Jirov without some problems.

[Diricul]

The last Jirov’s bout was sad. I didn’t see it yet but he only won by UD. I saw the recent cruiserweight bout of Beets versus Vadim Tokarev who is strong but one-dimensional and awkward. And i can say that Beets is very weak. Beets lost by TKO.
Vassily was only 206lbs...
Who knows anything more about this bout and its details?